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Old 23.01.2015, 01:58
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Re: Death By A Thousand Cuts: Earth Enters The ‘Danger Zone’

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At this point in time, I cannot understand how or why people resist global warming theories backed by over 95% of the scientific community on the planet.
e.g. because science is not democracy?
e.g. because an unproven hypothesis does not equal fact or thruth?
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Re: Death By A Thousand Cuts: Earth Enters The ‘Danger Zone’

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Why is it that anyone who even considers the possibility of climate change and its effects on a growing population is labeled as "panicked" or accused of scare-mongering?
I'm not talking about "anyone." I'm talking about you. You are scaremongering.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

errrr why has a thread been moved and merged with another one 8 years old, and largely on the same topic but NOT really?
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Old 23.01.2015, 10:48
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errrr why has a thread been moved and merged with another one 8 years old, and largely on the same topic but NOT really?
Because this thread, where it all now resides, is the de facto EF Global Warming catchall thread.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

ok Jobsrobertsharpii - then the title should be changed maybe?

oh and thank you so much for being such a bully by the way - I mean by taking whatever these "reputation points" are supposed to be from me, because I point out that the Daily Mail is a fascist, racist, moron's food-for-thought rag.
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Old 23.01.2015, 11:20
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oh and thank you so much for being such a bully by the way - I mean by taking whatever these "reputation points" are supposed to be from me, because I point out that the Daily Mail is a fascist, racist, moron's food-for-thought rag.
I think you're missing the point here. It's not the Daily Mail's fault that most mainstream media failed to report the little detail that the "hottest year" was not a fact but a (rather low) probability.

If you want an unsuspicious source, here's one. Google news will bring up many others.

2014 Hottest Year Ever on Earth: Maybe, Barely (accuweather.com)
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Old 23.01.2015, 11:24
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ok Jobsrobertsharpii - then the title should be changed maybe?

oh and thank you so much for being such a bully by the way - I mean by taking whatever these "reputation points" are supposed to be from me, because I point out that the Daily Mail is a fascist, racist, moron's food-for-thought rag.
We're trying to discuss ACC/Global Climate Change, and you keep posting nonsense links that have sod-all to do with the discussion, all while name calling and mocking others. Since you want to continue to whinge publicly, that's why I gave you red blobbies. And no, that doesn't make me a bully, sorry. If you want to contribute, then do so. If you want to troll, whinge, act like a muppet, etc, go somewhere else.
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Old 23.01.2015, 11:36
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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We're trying to discuss ACC/Global Climate Change, and you keep posting nonsense links that have sod-all to do with the discussion
err no, get a grip and some perspective.

I started a thread relating to an article relating to the sharp peak of climate change, published online during the past week by Media Lens, and you and some like you high-jacked it saying that you don't believe in climate change.

so where do you get off telling me that I am posting links that have nothing to do with MY thread?

now of course it's been moved and merged with another one of different title, trend and generic idea (unless you think that climate change discussion has not evolved between 7 years ago and now, bit like talking of communication and merging a thread on early telephony with one about the new apple whatever-it-is-iphone).
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Old 23.01.2015, 11:38
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

In the 1980s some of you may remember the hysteria over the dying forests in Europe and the USA. In every newspaper we were encouraged to use public transport, experts were interviewed, proposals published. Car exhaust emissions were blamed for causing acid rain. The "crisis" gave us the catalytic converter, now fitted to all cars: the device works well in California, but in colder countries is fairly useless.

I may be cynical, but to me all the forests in Germany look very healthy today. What caused the dying forests? "Maybe" a dry summer and a cold winter!

(English) Dying forests http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_pathology
(Deutsch) Dying forests http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldzustandsbericht
(English) Forest damage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_dieback
(Deutsch) Forest damage http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldsch%C3%A4den

Today we can see a similar hysteria. If any scientist wants his thesis to be well recognised, he only needs to work into it some new slant on "Global Warming" and let the world's newspapers publish it for free.

The world was hotter in the middle ages, then it got colder, and now it's warming up again. Why? Look at the sun, and how far away we are from it. There are far better things that need correcting than "Global warming". We know more about the Moon and Mars, than we do about our oceans.

Stop worrying, and stop reading crap!
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err no, get a grip and some perspective.
So when you start lashing out like that, its a clear sign that you have lost the arguments, and have not a whole lot left to offer. I suggest you sit out and try more critical thinking. If anything worthwhile pops in your head, then post. At the moment, it is looking disgraceful for you.
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Old 23.01.2015, 11:46
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err no, get a grip and some perspective.

I started a thread relating to an article relating to the sharp peak of climate change, published online during the past week by Media Lens, and you and some like you high-jacked it saying that you don't believe in climate change.

so where do you get off telling me that I am posting links that have nothing to do with MY thread?

now of course it's been moved and merged with another one of different title, trend and generic idea (unless you think that climate change discussion has not evolved between 7 years ago and now, bit like talking of communication and merging a thread on early telephony with one about the new apple whatever-it-is-iphone).
And the flame war begins...

My grip and perspective are quite good, thanks.

You started a thread on a topic for which, if you would have done some looking, there was already a thread. Again, if you would do some looking, you would also see that this thread has received continuous posts all along those 7 years, so describing it as a 7-year-old thread is about as disingenuous as most of your other posts on this subject.

Gain more bearing.
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err no, get a grip and some perspective...
Kindly follow your own advice. If you look carefully, this thread was still active one week before you started "YOUR" thread. So it was and still is relevant to keep the threads together.

I don't understand why this topic is so polarizing. "You're either with us or against us" mentality is fruitless. How about a more moderate approach? Yes, humans are having an impact on their environment. We don't know the full extent yet, but we should all do our part to reduce waste and not make the world worse.

At the same time, I'm afraid this is very much a First World Problem (for now). People who are struggling to get enough food and clean water, those who are living with AIDS and Ebola, those living in fear of being beheaded because they don't practice the right type of religion, even rural farmers in remote parts of the world - by and large these folks do not care that the earth may be warming or cooling. They have more immediate issues to deal with. It's a luxury to think 100 years down the line.

And what about corporate responsibility? I can recycle to the nth degree, ride my bicycle for life and even ask to be composted to minimize my carbon footprint, but corrupt corporations are happy to just pay a fine for any environmental damage as part of the cost of business. I'll do my part, but I'm realistic enough to know it might not mean anything in the grand scheme.
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Old 23.01.2015, 15:33
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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You started a thread on a topic for which, if you would have done some looking, there was already a thread. Again, if you would do some looking, you would also see that this thread has received continuous posts all along those 7 years, so describing it as a 7-year-old thread is about as disingenuous as most of your other posts on this subject.
so does that mean that no new thread may be started on a subject that has already been touched, even in the off-topic section?

THAT is nowhere near written in the forum rules, and I still think YOU are a bully.

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so does that mean that no new thread may be started on a subject that has already been touched, even in the off-topic section?

THAT is nowhere near written in the forum rules, and I still think YOU are a bully.

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Obviously the moderators on this forum thought the topics to be close enough together to warrant merging, and they did merge "your" thread into this one.

As to the whole bully thing, you're entitled to your opinion, ignorant as it may be, as you don't know a thing about me.
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I don't understand why this topic is so polarizing. "You're either with us or against us" mentality is fruitless. How about a more moderate approach? Yes, humans are having an impact on their environment. We don't know the full extent yet, but we should all do our part to reduce waste and not make the world worse.
Agreed. There are graver threats facing us than the temperature getting hotter, and the atmosphere filling up with CO2. In fact, these conditions are great for plants and agriculture. There are toxic chemical pollutants that are more dangerous. There are ecosystems that are in danger from over-harvesting. There are food chains that can break. And generally, I would agree with more people living responsibly. recycle cans, etc.

Now, if they would use their concerns and lobby for more generic approaches; such as capabilities to transport a vast number of people out of harm's way, perhaps underground networks of tunnels to ensure human survivability, or even space colonies, I could get on board with it. But to whine about how we need to express more impotent concern; turn off the light bulb when you are not using it.

But the fact they seem to focus on a common fantasized nightmare that is not even tenuously provable causes me to suspect they are guided by some cult like influence that have captured their minds. It distracts from seeing problems as they are and properly dealing with them. I don't see how all this foolishness helps the environment one bit.


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As to the whole bully thing, you're entitled to your opinion, ignorant as it may be, as you don't know a thing about me.
It's alright to be a bully sometimes, especially when appropriate.

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It's alright to be a bully sometimes, especially when appropriate.
Surely, but I'm generally a very easy-going polite person. I just have a shorter patience with muppet behavior, and don't mind pointing it out.

Back on topic now...
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Personally I think the global warming trend is rather the imbalance of natural global currents causing hot spots and cold spots.

If one looks at the trend of increased installations of wind power stations, i'm sure there's a direct relationship!

These power stations are disrupting natural weather patterns which are wreaking havoc and will destroy the planet.


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Personally I think the global warming trend is rather the imbalance of natural global currents causing hot spots and cold spots.

If one looks at the trend of increased installations of wind power stations, i'm sure there's a direct relationship!

These power stations are disrupting natural weather patterns which are wreaking havoc and will destroy the planet.
I don't know if this is true, but I can say that wind power was once viewed as a panacea for clean energy... until those big blades started clobbering birds. Oh and the wealthy NIMBY crowd started complaining about the noise some of them make. I'm sure there are other unintended consequences.

Consequences of rushing in to "do good."
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err no, get a grip and some perspective.

I started a thread relating to an article relating to the sharp peak of climate change, published online during the past week by Media Lens, and you and some like you high-jacked it saying that you don't believe in climate change.

so where do you get off telling me that I am posting links that have nothing to do with MY thread?

now of course it's been moved and merged with another one of different title, trend and generic idea (unless you think that climate change discussion has not evolved between 7 years ago and now, bit like talking of communication and merging a thread on early telephony with one about the new apple whatever-it-is-iphone).
The problem you are facing here is that you posted this in EF which is a forum for people who could move to Switzerland mostly because they are well educated, highly skilled and above average intelligence.

Such people are not going blindly accept dire warnings about the future effects of global warming no matter how many scientists stand behind it. The reason is that it is plain to see there has been practically no global warming this century despite the fact that a quarter (25%) of all man made carbon dioxide ever created was released into the atmosphere this century. There is no generally agreed theory to explain this warming pause.

In physics when the predictions from an accepted theory no longer exactly match what is happening in the real world (c.f. Newtons Laws) then it is time to create a new theory; in this case Quantum theory.
Of course, Newtons laws still provide a good approximation for large objects.

Clearly it is time to modify the theory to take account of the fact that Global temperature no longer moves in lock step with increased atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration.
It may well be that in future years temperatures start to rise again but myself I have little confidence that this will happen; obviously many other people have more confidence.
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The problem you are facing here is that you posted this in EF which is a forum for people who could move to Switzerland mostly because they are well educated, highly skilled and above average intelligence.


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