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Old 28.01.2015, 07:23
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About "What is Benzine? (serious question)"
The material safety data sheet for unleaded gasoline shows at least 15 hazardous chemicals occurring in various amounts. Benzene (and many other anti-knocking additives) that replace lead (as an anti-knocking additive) are carcinogenic...
The problem with lead is that it was in exhaust fumes. Benzene is carcinogenic and there is no safe limit, but if petrol fumes at petrol stations causes less harm than lead in exhaust fumes (which seems to be the case), then petrol is now safer than it was, and that's a good thing.

When people say "most scientists", does that include scientists whose specialism isn't climate science? If not, why should that add weight to the argument?
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Old 28.01.2015, 07:51
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Here is a good précis of the peer review study that underscores the "97% consensus" project. The papers reviewed were
climate science studies.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/glob...s-advanced.htm

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Old 28.01.2015, 08:52
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

C'mon now, don't be so conceited. Isn't it obvious that the heat in your apartment building isn't caused by burning oil in the oil burner in the basement? And that if mankind were to burn all of the combustibles on earth, it would create no heat. Duh!

These so called scientists are really just trying to force a new financial system on us. They just want more funding - that's why science exists in the first place. (except, of course, for the scientists that present evidence against man-made climate change. They are angel-headed thruth seekers.)

It's a global conspiracy!

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Old 28.01.2015, 10:31
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"Denialists are driven by a range of motivations. For some it is greed, lured by the corporate largesse of the oil and tobacco industries. For others it is ideology or faith, causing them to reject anything incompatible with their fundamental beliefs. Finally there is eccentricity and idiosyncrasy, sometimes encouraged by the celebrity status conferred on the maverick.

Whatever the motivation, it is important to recognize denialism when confronted with it. The normal academic response to an opposing argument is to engage with it, testing the strengths and weaknesses of the differing views, in the expectations that the truth will emerge through a process of debate. However, this requires that both parties obey certain ground rules, such as a willingness to look at the evidence as a whole, to reject deliberate distortions and to accept principles of logic. A meaningful discourse is impossible when one party rejects these rules. Yet it would be wrong to prevent the denialists having a voice."

From "Denialism: what is it and how should scientists respond?"
Frank, I don't anyone is denying that billions of humans and all our infrastructure have some impact on the environment and by extension the climate. What is being discussed is that there is significant disagreement on what that impact is, whether it is the most impactful factor in whatever climate change may be happening, how the Earth will look because of human activity, and what we should do about that. There is no large scale consensus on answers to these questions.

We still cannot predict weather with anything more than modest precision over a short period of time in a small region, where many of the variables are known, and reasonable approximations are made for others, yet climate scientists claim to be able to make very precise predictions about what climate will do over long periods of time and on a global scale, where few of the variables are known, reasonable approximations are made for some others, and the rest are ignored.

So, should we make reasonable decisions about consumption and waste? Yes, absolutely. Should we continue to fund climate research? Again, yes. Should we believe the Chicken-Little prophecies from priests of the Church of Climate Science? No, we don't know enough yet to make such predictions.
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Old 28.01.2015, 10:32
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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C'mon now, don't be so conceited. Isn't it obvious that the heat in your apartment building isn't caused by burning oil in the oil burner in the basement? And that if mankind were to burn all of the combustibles on earth, it would create no heat. Duh!

These so called scientists are really just trying to force a new financial system on us. They just want more funding - that's why science exists in the first place. (except, of course, for the scientists that present evidence against man-made climate change. They are angel-headed thruth seekers.)

It's a global conspiracy!

Dude, you took almost a year off from this discussion, and you still don't have anything useful to say?
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Here is a good précis of the peer review study that underscores the "97% consensus" project. The papers reviewed were
climate science studies.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/glob...s-advanced.htm
Even that is based on a sampled survey, and it considered any paper that did not contest AGW as supporting AGW. Why all the effort to tilt the conversation?
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Old 28.01.2015, 10:35
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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Dude, you took almost a year off from this discussion, and you still don't have anything useful to say?
I got sick of you groaning me before you even read my posts. I'm leading my conceited self to the door now, as you'll just do it again. and again. dude.
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Old 28.01.2015, 10:39
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I got sick of you groaning me before you even read my posts. I'm leading my conceited self to the door now, as you'll just do it again. and again. dude.
Yet you come back for more... Please don't let the door hit you in the arse.

Cheers, mate.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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About "To declare we don't affect the climate is about as humble as declaring your shit don't stink" To declare we do affect the climate is conceited
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Frank, I don't anyone is denying that billions of humans and all our infrastructure have some impact on the environment and by extension the climate.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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Frank, I don't anyone is denying that billions of humans and all our infrastructure have some impact on the environment and by extension the climate. What is being discussed is that there is significant disagreement on what that impact is, whether it is the most impactful factor in whatever climate change may be happening, how the Earth will look because of human activity, and what we should do about that. There is no large scale consensus on answers to these questions.

We still cannot predict weather with anything more than modest precision over a short period of time in a small region, where many of the variables are known, and reasonable approximations are made for others, yet climate scientists claim to be able to make very precise predictions about what climate will do over long periods of time and on a global scale, where few of the variables are known, reasonable approximations are made for some others, and the rest are ignored.

So, should we make reasonable decisions about consumption and waste? Yes, absolutely. Should we continue to fund climate research? Again, yes. Should we believe the Chicken-Little prophecies from priests of the Church of Climate Science? No, we don't know enough yet to make such predictions.
About "We still cannot predict weather with anything more than modest precision over a short period of time in a small region".

True;
Last Sunday, Mayor Mr. de Blasio said, “This could be the biggest snowstorm in the history of New York City”
And what happened!
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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About "We still cannot predict weather with anything more than modest precision over a short period of time in a small region".

True;
Last Sunday, Mayor Mr. de Blasio said, “This could be the biggest snowstorm in the history of New York City”
And what happened!
Yeah, but he's a politician. We all already know they don't know what they're talking about!
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

This thread, as so many others on this forum, should be renamed: "Pointless [insert topic here]-debate. Restricted to those who have only opinions and no knowledge deeper than what they read in the news"
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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(just so we can merge the chemtrails thread in here too)
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FTFY

(just so we can merge the chemtrails thread in here too)
Illuminati? Masons? Bilderbergers? Aliens? The CIA? Have I covered them all?
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This thread, as so many others on this forum, should be renamed: "Pointless [insert topic here]-debate. Restricted to those who have only opinions and no knowledge deeper than what they read in the news"
Don't fret about it, we are anyway happy to read what you write
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Scientists manipulating temperature data to support their AGW positions isn't really science anymore at that point. It's a political agenda:
The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever

So scientists are subject to the same bias and corruption as politicians. Why should they be taken as infallible messengers of God? Just because they have a Scientist job title?

Interesting article on how Mass Hypnosis is applied in regards to Climate Change:
'LOOK into my EYES: You are feeling very worried about the climate ... SO worried'
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Scientists manipulating temperature data to support their AGW positions isn't really science anymore at that point. It's a political agenda:
The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever
....and in the interest of balance and for a look at Christopher Booker's track record have a look at

The superhuman cock-ups of Christopher Booker
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Guardian VS. Telegraph Where does one go for unbiased objective reporting anymore?

Please don't say RT.
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For a real laugh at the idiocy sprouted by Brooker take a look at this article for the Telegraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-Notebook.html

He appears to believe that the growth in sea ice cover from September to January (2007/8 in that case) is proof that there is no shrinkage in sea ice coverage.

Not that thing we have every year called "winter".
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For a real laugh at the idiocy sprouted by Brooker take a look at this article for the Telegraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-Notebook.html

He appears to believe that the growth in sea ice cover from September to January (2007/8 in that case) is proof that there is no shrinkage in sea ice coverage.

Not that thing we have every year called "winter".

Okay, so he also sounds like a political pundit. But do you agree that temperature data was massaged to support claims?
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