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Okay, so he also sounds like a political pundit. But do you agree that temperature data was massaged to support claims?
No, he sounds like a complete tosser. I'll try to have a proper look at his claims tonight.
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Okay, so he also sounds like a political pundit. But do you agree that temperature data was massaged to support claims?
The basic issue is that the temperature records are "adjusted" in various ways.

This produces some anomalies like, for example, the UK Met Office here (also global warming supporters) unlike the US climate organisations do not state that 2014 was the warmest year ever; they do agree it was warm .

I would not go so far as to say that the numbers "were massaged" but once you start adjusting the basic temperature data then you enter an uncertain area where different people have different opinions and produce different results.

Quote "The HadCRUT4 dataset (compiled by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit) shows last year was 0.56C (±0.1C*) above the long-term (1961-1990) average. Nominally this ranks 2014 as the joint warmest year in the record, tied with 2010, but the uncertainty ranges mean it's not possible to definitively say which of several recent years was the warmest."

Whereas the US National Climatic Data Center said;
The year 2014 was the warmest year across global land and ocean surfaces since records began in 1880. The annually-averaged temperature was 0.69°C (1.24°F) above the 20th century average of 13.9°C (57.0°F), easily breaking the previous records of 2005 and 2010 by 0.04°C (0.07°F).

Interesting to compare the reserved scientific language of the UK group versus the sensationalism of the US group?
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So scientists are subject to the same bias and corruption as politicians. Why should they be taken as infallible messengers of God? Just because they have a Scientist job title?
That's called scientism...

Wikipedia reference-linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism

Scientist say it, the media sound-bytes it, and so it must be true...
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FTFY

(just so we can merge the chemtrails thread in here too)
That's an excellent suggestion! It makes it perfectly clear that this thread is a witch hunt run by climate change deniers.

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That's an excellent suggestion! It makes it perfectly clear that this thread is a witch hunt run by climate change deniers.
Oddly this thread started by JamesK as a change denier, who was hammered for his opinions. Now the resurrected thread is siding with the OP...

...and I'm more confused than ever...
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Scientists manipulating temperature data to support their AGW positions isn't really science anymore at that point. It's a political agenda:
The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever
An article in the Sunday Telegraph by Christopher Booker, a man who does not believe in evolution, does not believe that smoking is bad for you and does not believe that asbestos causes health problems.

A man whose slander of the head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change caused the Daily Telegraph to publicly apologise and pay more than £100,000 in recompense.

Anyway, back to the article. It's a storm in a teacup. There is no scandal. The data on which the article was based was cherrypicked. The adjustment of the raw recorded temperatures is routine. The procedure is published and validated. Temperatures may be adjusted up or down for perfectly valid reasons. I'll post articles from the Journal of Geophysical Research if you want the detail.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Sudden interest on articles based on non-cherry-picked data make me smile.
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An article in the Sunday Telegraph by Christopher Booker, a man who does not believe in evolution, does not believe that smoking is bad for you and does not believe that asbestos causes health problems.

A man whose slander of the head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change caused the Daily Telegraph to publicly apologise and pay more than £100,000 in recompense.

Anyway, back to the article. It's a storm in a teacup. There is no scandal. The data on which the article was based was cherrypicked. The adjustment of the raw recorded temperatures is routine. The procedure is published and validated. Temperatures may be adjusted up or down for perfectly valid reasons. I'll post articles from te Journahl of Geophysical Research if you want the detail.
the Journal of Geophysical Research
Good journal; I recommend this article "Widespread Alaska glacier retreat likely not due to climate change"
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Here's a cracker that everyone can read for free: "An overview of the Global Historical Climatology Network monthly mean temperature data set, version 3"

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...1JD016187/full

In case you can't be bothered to read the whole thing, and who can blame you? Here's one of their graphs showing all the temperature adjustments ever made. The key point is that there are just as many adjustments down as adjustments up. So, no sinister conspiracy of climatologists here.... apparently .
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Good journal; I recommend this article "Widespread Alaska glacier retreat likely not due to climate change"
Indeed. This careful study is of one special kind of glacier. Wikipedia explains that they do not react to climate change like other glaciers.

From Wikipedia: The tidewater glacier cycle is the typically centuries-long behavior of tidewater glaciers that consists of recurring periods of advance alternating with rapid retreat and punctuated by periods of stability. During portions of its cycle, a tidewater glacier is relatively insensitive to climate change.
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Here's a cracker that everyone can read for free: "An overview of the Global Historical Climatology Network monthly mean temperature data set, version 3"

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...1JD016187/full

In case you can't be bothered to read the whole thing, and who can blame you? Here's one of their graphs showing all the temperature adjustments ever made. The key point is that there are just as many adjustments down as adjustments up. So, no sinister conspiracy of climatologists here.... apparently .
About "The key point is that there are just as many adjustments down as adjustments up" You do set yourself up for the obvious question "then why make these changes if there is no net effect"
From the same article "corrections generally ranged from +/−0.2°C to 2.0°C. Less than 5% of all corrections exceeded +/−2.0°C"

As I mentioned in an earlier post the UK use a different "adjustment method" so generate average global temperatures HADCRUT4 that are not identical to the US publications.

GHCN-M that you quote is the source of land surface temperature records in systems developed at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

A senior US scientist has expressed concern that the intelligence services are funding climate change research to learn if new technologies could be used as potential weapons.
The $600,000 report was part-funded by the US intelligence services, but Alan Robock said the CIA and other agencies had not fully explained their interest in the work.

Quote here.

We are living in an increasingly strange world.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Well if the worst comes to the worst and the doom and gloom forecasters prove to be correct then we can always emigrate to here
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A senior US scientist has expressed concern that the intelligence services are funding climate change research to learn if new technologies could be used as potential weapons.
So you mean the CIA is blackmailing Switzerland by forcing cloudy, rainy, crappy weather here until they conform with banking laws? Damn it, I knew the CIA was behind this s****y weather, but I just couldn't put a finger on it.
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So you mean the CIA is blackmailing Switzerland by forcing cloudy, rainy, crappy weather here until they conform with banking laws? Damn it, I knew the CIA was behind this s****y weather, but I just couldn't put a finger on it.
Oh great one, your words are pearls before this unworthy swine.
The only solution is to build us a tower that will takes us into the blue skies above the fog.
Please start a crowd funding tower project....
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Oh great one, your words are pearls before this unworthy swine.
The only solution is to build us a tower that will takes us into the blue skies above the fog.
Please start a crowd funding tower project....
You can't, minarets are forbidden here
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Quote here "Republicans To Investigate Climate Data Tampering By NASA" LOL
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Been a strange week for Global Warming.
First of all the US Republicans are threatening a Congressional investigation into the quality of the data used (led by the vice chairman of the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, which has jurisdiction over NASA and other agencies that monitor the Earth’s climate).

And now chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), Rajendra Pachauri, is accused of sexually harassment.

A 29-year-old researcher filed a police complaint in Delhi last week, alleging Mr Pachauri had harassed her with inappropriate emails, text messages, and unwanted advances.

Mr Pachauri claims his computer was hacked and so he did not send the emails and text messages. Exactly how his hacked computer made the "unwanted advances" is not so far published.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

The republican party will represent the interests of it's funders, they can threaten all they like on something that's now pretty much settled. Climate change is real and humans play a major part. There's still political posturing to placate the older conservatives and the religiously deluded who think climate is gods domain, but everyone else is moving on.

From former koch brother funded deniers:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/07/30...anted=all&_r=0

from the industry itself:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomzelle...limate-change/

To the navy:
http://www.businessinsider.com/clima...ry-2014-7?IR=T

The science is pretty much settled. Only the rich with interests and their gullible "skeptics", and the sort of people who can spout rhetoric but think the earth is six thousand years old are left denying it.
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