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Why didn't they do that for creationism?
For the same reason they didn't do it for evolutionism?
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Old 19.09.2015, 20:42
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Anyone can see the same tactics used by oil companies as used by tobacco companies.

The one difference is that oil companies managed to enlist the american new evangelists to their cause, if only smoking companies had the foresight to proclaim that if someone dies of lung cancer, it's surely gods will.
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Old 19.09.2015, 20:51
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Is it any coincidence that there's now a major culture against science in the US that seems to originate from oil producing states?

And we'll get a bunch of right leaning schmucks here saying, well truth is relative, like Pilates questioning Jesus, "What is truth?". Truth is what you believe. These scientists, with their ing stats and repeatable theories that play out in the real world, what is that to my armchair pontificating? I choose to believe my local know it all.
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Old 19.09.2015, 21:12
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Is it any coincidence that there's now a major culture against science in the US that seems to originate from oil producing states?

And we'll get a bunch of right leaning schmucks here saying, well truth is relative, like Pilates questioning Jesus, "What is truth?". Truth is what you believe. These scientists, with their ing stats and repeatable theories that play out in the real world, what is that to my armchair pontificating? I choose to believe my local know it all.


Difficult to produce and refine oil without heavy use of science and constant improvement
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Old 19.09.2015, 21:13
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

OTH pilates was quite reasonable...

So you walked on water? walk across my swimming pool

Yo bitch, some metaphysical shit

So no then? you can't actually walk on water.

Truth is relative, people believed I walk on water so I did.

You're a charlatan.
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Old 19.09.2015, 21:26
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Here's an interesting article on how Exxon (of all people!) did groundbreaking research on climate change in the 70's and 80's, concluding that global warming, due to CO2 was a grave danger.
In the 70s and 80s? I recall the science of that time was about Chloroflourocarbons destroying the ozone, toasting all humanity to a crisp. Was that scientific infallibility as well?
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Old 19.09.2015, 22:00
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Anyone can see the same tactics used by oil companies as used by tobacco companies...
…And no individual or corporate interests stand to gain from the proliferated dogma of AGW as conveyed via the usual channels?
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Old 20.09.2015, 16:55
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…And no individual or corporate interests stand to gain from the proliferated dogma of AGW as conveyed via the usual channels?
Not sure what the point here is, everyone stands to gain from any situation.
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Old 20.09.2015, 16:59
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In the 70s and 80s? I recall the science of that time was about Chloroflourocarbons destroying the ozone, toasting all humanity to a crisp. Was that scientific infallibility as well?
Not sure if you're serious, but maybe you don't hear about that ozone hole so much because we were forced to take action and stopped producing the things that were causing it, which is why it's no longer a thing we go on about.

Like asking, why isn't polio a thing anymore? Because vaccines...
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Old 20.09.2015, 17:05
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…And no individual or corporate interests stand to gain from the proliferated dogma of AGW as conveyed via the usual channels?
Like i know that you're thinking you're real smart for saying that, because following the money is great so long as you don't follow the money of organisations that have managed to publicly protect themselves from having their money followed, and those organisations declare themselves religious, and those organisations are so anti science and so pervalent, we have to consider people as rational when they say the earth is six thousand years old and global warming isn't real.
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Old 20.09.2015, 17:37
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

At what stage are the deniers here at? Out of interest. It's pretty much certain you can't say somethings happening.

So, number one:
It's some sort of event we had no control over, ever.

Number two:
It's a problem for poor people, woohoo, the world is warmer, i won't have to buy that villa in spain

Number three:
It's gods will, he said there wouldn't be any more floods after noahs ark and all those floods after are easily classified as things not floods.

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those gvment assholes trying to get me to invest in renewable energy, coal and oil are the pinnacle of human invention, why would anyone change?

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At what stage are the deniers here at? Out of interest. It's pretty much certain you can't say somethings happening.
Not sure how to parse that last sentence.

Not sure why the possibilities have to be limited to the four arbitrary options you listed.
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Old 20.09.2015, 19:09
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Not sure how to parse that last sentence.

Not sure why the possibilities have to be limited to the four arbitrary options you listed.
Give yours them, state publicly what's happening. Or is there nothing happening? Is that us navy study just made up? Are ski resorts here not shortening their seasons? Are glaciers getting bigger? The north west passage isn't going to happen?

Is it sun spots? El nino? What?
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

You know what, i don't even give a shit what you think, but i'd like everyone to know that thinks climate change is some sort of conspiracy that you are on their side.
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Old 20.09.2015, 19:34
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According to previous scientific forecasts, shouldn't the UK be half submerged by now, with palm trees?

I heard global warming could be good for wine production.

@Cyrus, have you reduced your personal CO2 emissions footprint? Maybe they should ban the consumption of beans along the way.
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Old 20.09.2015, 20:02
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Give yours them, state publicly what's happening. Or is there nothing happening? Is that us navy study just made up? Are ski resorts here not shortening their seasons? Are glaciers getting bigger? The north west passage isn't going to happen?

Is it sun spots? El nino? What?


You seem to be a bit confused


The theory of global warming is not that global warming is man made; the theory is that the pace of global warming is accelerated by mankind.
Global warming has existed for 12,000 years (without mankind); since the end of the last ice age (which was practically next door in geological history terms).


With or without mankind the globe will continue warming, sooner or later we will have to face the effects.


For most of the world's history there was no ice at the poles, Greenland, etc. We will all have to face this no-ice scenario sooner or later! On current trends this will take some millennia, although according to the global warming theory this will take only some centuries.


Your comment about ski resorts is not relevant; currently nobody can forecast the individual geographical climate effects of global warming - some places will be warmer, some colder; but which and where nobody knows.
Could be Switzerland will be much colder or could be much warmer?
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You seem to be a bit confused


The theory of global warming is not that global warming is man made; the theory is that the pace of global warming is accelerated by mankind.
Global warming has existed for 12,000 years (without mankind); since the end of the last ice age (which was practically next door in geological history terms).


With or without mankind the globe will continue warming, sooner or later we will have to face the effects.


For most of the world's history there was no ice at the poles, Greenland, etc. We will all have to face this no-ice scenario sooner or later! On current trends this will take some millennia, although according to the global warming theory this will take only some centuries.


Your comment about ski resorts is not relevant; currently nobody can forecast the individual geographical climate effects of global warming - some places will be warmer, some colder; but which and where nobody knows.
Could be Switzerland will be much colder or could be much warmer?
Nice evasion, aknowledging climate change while completely evading if we have a effect? People die of natural causes, so is there any such thing as murder?
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Old 20.09.2015, 20:11
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Id like to add that the guy who started this thread sold devices that miracally affected water, and we now have two creationists carrying on the sentiment.

Take from that what you will but you know it's pointless arguing. If you think the science of the world being six thousand years old is equally as valid a the guys who work hard to find out what is going on in the world, then this is the thread for you.
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I wonder if you should consider translating your arguments into Chinese, as for how and if the world reacts to a small group of scientists' agenda, it would not really be determined on this thread, let alone in Washington DC, really.
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Old 20.09.2015, 20:19
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I wonder if you should consider translating your arguments into Chinese, as for how and if the world reacts to a small group of scientists' agenda, it would not really be determined on this thread, let alone in Washington DC, really.
Small groups of scientist? You must be talking abour your corner, why don't you post that famous image of all time scientist that don't beleive in our effect, you know the one, where all the scientists don't work in the field.
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