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"well. funny you ask. now that you're on board, we have this system of cap and trade worked out which is all rather complex, but in the end will spur green technology. yes a bit wishy washy, but what is concrete is the billions that the banks and our lobby industries would make with carbon credit sales, a CC exchange and financial derivatives heaped on top of that. plus my donors who will sell certain green tech to other companies would have to pay for this. winners and losers, but hey, the winners backed me. so democracy works.

of course, it does seem strange that this is going ahead so quickly on rather one-sided science. you don't see that for any other issue where the benefits are more clear. but hey, there wasn't much money in those other issues."

Even worse than that is carte blanche approval to regulate any kind of human activity moving forward. The CFC Ozone issue was like a trial balloon to demonstrate how they can rearrange industry. Imagine the level of control they would have over all human activities.

Until it is unequivocally proven beyond mere consensus amongst a cabal of scientist, it has to be fought.
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Old 22.09.2015, 19:45
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It was caused by God.
Now it is caused by capitalism.


Well, for the moment it seems that it is caused by Volkswagen. The story is still unfolding though.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

I blame the smokers on trams platform for it.
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I blame the smokers on trams platform for it.
I blame processed food sold in Migros that ended up in my stomach
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Ooooohhh! The blaming party! I have some finger pointing to do, too.

In the spirit of solidarity:

I blame the smokers, too, all of them.

I blame the processed foods, pink slime goodies, and the nitrates and other additives in processed meats and foods in general. What did they do in the old times?

I blame Harper's gov. Queue the captains, the generals, and what have you to its defence. Or maybe they can write a grant proposal in Environment and related fields and see how fast they lose their jobs. http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/re...ists-1.2490081
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Old 23.09.2015, 00:00
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

On the other hand; diesel motors produce less CO2 than petrol engines so are popular with Global warmers.
However as VW just proved there could be a downside
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Another point I would like to get some clarity on, is the idea of the Earth being inside a giant greenhouse (or glasshouse).

The idea put about is that the Sun's energy arrives through the CO2 layer, and warms the planet. But then mysteriously this energy is incapable of making the path back through the same layer of CO2 into space, even though at a point 2 miles above us it is always freezing cold.

This 'new' idea that the CO2 layer is somehow a one way filter is a bit odd. The Earth relies on the Sun's energy, and if the CO2 acted as a one way door, with energy arriving but not leaving, then the Earth would have been burnt up billions of years ago.

There isn't a huge glass roof covering the Earth. Up there are mainly inert gases, which move about, these are called winds. They do not behave in any way like the glass covering a greenhouse.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Follow the money (not all that much has changed in 5 years)...

Top scientist resigns from post - admits Global Warming is a scam
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Old 01.10.2015, 22:33
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Scientists are still finding out how climate works. The AGW models are rubbish when they don't even know what is going into the atmosphere. Here, they just discovered cooling agents, Volatile organic compounds - isoprene, eminating from the surface of the ocean. These are not even factored into existing climate models.
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.est.5b02388

They need to separate Science from Agenda in order for real scientist to regain credibility. The argument that scientist have consensus, and know better because they are scientist is about as foolish of an argument as you can have. That's not enough, and only for the gullible and weak minded.
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Old 01.10.2015, 23:03
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Scientists are still finding out how climate works. The AGW models are rubbish when they don't even know what is going into the atmosphere. Here, they just discovered cooling agents, Volatile organic compounds - isoprene, eminating from the surface of the ocean. These are not even factored into existing climate models.
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.est.5b02388

They need to separate Science from Agenda in order for real scientist to regain credibility. The argument that scientist have consensus, and know better because they are scientist is about as foolish of an argument as you can have. That's not enough, and only for the gullible and weak minded.

The amount of isoprene produced world wide according to this study is around double the amount previously believed to be produced.
This would have a significant cooling effect of several degrees per century.


Before we order party hats and champagne let us wait and see how well these results are studied and accepted.
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

Global warming causes unusual storms

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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

«The plan by climate alarmists to have other scientists imprisoned for their 'global warming' skepticism is backfiring horribly, and the chief alarmist is now facing a House investigation into what has been called "the largest science scandal in US history".» — Breitbart
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Old 11.10.2015, 21:09
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Follow the money (not all that much has changed in 5 years)...

Top scientist resigns from post - admits Global Warming is a scam
You really think sott is an even remotely credible source?
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«The plan by climate alarmists to have other scientists imprisoned for their 'global warming' skepticism is backfiring horribly, and the chief alarmist is now facing a House investigation into what has been called "the largest science scandal in US history".» — Breitbart
Another completely unbiased source I see
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Another point I would like to get some clarity on, is the idea of the Earth being inside a giant greenhouse (or glasshouse).

The idea put about is that the Sun's energy arrives through the CO2 layer, and warms the planet. But then mysteriously this energy is incapable of making the path back through the same layer of CO2 into space, even though at a point 2 miles above us it is always freezing cold.

This 'new' idea that the CO2 layer is somehow a one way filter is a bit odd. The Earth relies on the Sun's energy, and if the CO2 acted as a one way door, with energy arriving but not leaving, then the Earth would have been burnt up billions of years ago.

There isn't a huge glass roof covering the Earth. Up there are mainly inert gases, which move about, these are called winds. They do not behave in any way like the glass covering a greenhouse.
Do a bit of reading. Even the sceptics (at least the handful that actually possess a brain) realise how that works. This is GCSE science.

Whether you believe man produced CO2 is sufficient to cause climate change is quite something else.
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Old 11.10.2015, 21:27
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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Maybe you prefer this one?
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/...ge-accusations
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Old 11.10.2015, 21:35
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Maybe you prefer this one?
http://news.sciencemag.org/policy/20...ist-requesting
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Well the first one is about the the APS responding to a complaint by one 87 year old member. The second is about a handful of Republican deniers trying to discredit a scientist/organisation who was trying to highlight the links between fossil fuel companies and denier quasi-scientifiy organisations.


Neither has anything actually to do with the science. So really I'm not sure what your point is.
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Old 12.10.2015, 10:23
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Re: Global Warming - what's behind it?

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Well the first one is about the the APS responding to a complaint by one 87 year old member. The second is about a handful of Republican deniers trying to discredit a scientist/organisation who was trying to highlight the links between fossil fuel companies and denier quasi-scientifiy organisations.


Neither has anything actually to do with the science. So really I'm not sure what your point is.


Well first you posted you did not like the sources. I corrected that and now you change your story to say you do not like the content.


You wrote "a complaint by one 87 year old member"; if you had actually read the article you would have seen the statement "Lewis is also one of the 160 physicists who last year failed to persuade the society to modify its "appallingly tendentious" formal statement on climate change"


If you do some research you will see the APS issued their climate change statement without consulting their members and also without following their own internal processes. Physics is all about questioning theories, understanding causation, and physical testing of theories.
Consequently few physicists will accept a statement like "the science is proven"; there is actually no proof in the physical sense and in the history of physics many accepted theories had to be changed or replaced.


You also wrote "a handful of Republican deniers trying to discredit ", in fact they are doing their job and checking what happened to public funds. Climate supporters are not immune to the laws of fraud. I assume the leader of this NGO will have adequate answers so no issue?
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Well first you posted you did not like the sources. I corrected that and now you change your story to say you do not like the content.

You wrote "a complaint by one 87 year old member"; if you had actually read the article you would have seen the statement "Lewis is also one of the 160 physicists who last year failed to persuade the society to modify its "appallingly tendentious" formal statement on climate change"

If you do some research you will see the APS issued their climate change statement without consulting their members and also without following their own internal processes. Physics is all about questioning theories, understanding causation, and physical testing of theories.
Consequently few physicists will accept a statement like "the science is proven"; there is actually no proof in the physical sense and in the history of physics many accepted theories had to be changed or replaced.


You also wrote "a handful of Republican deniers trying to discredit ", in fact they are doing their job and checking what happened to public funds. Climate supporters are not immune to the laws of fraud. I assume the leader of this NGO will have adequate answers so no issue?
Well the first links posted are so laughable it really wasn't worth even thinking about reading them.


On the APS, at work so no time to read right to the end. But 160 members out of 50,000. 0.3%. Hardly a substantial number. Also bear in mins they are questioning the process, not necessarily the probability of the result.


On the other - let's see. But don't try to claim this isn't politically motivated.
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