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Makes me wonder what makes you think bits and bobs were defective upon dispatch.
The article states that the speed indicators were known for icing over but, it seems, as there had been no previous catastrophic incident involving them it was only seen as necessary to start replacing them gradually.

Unfortunately, this is a possibility of the cause of the incident which spelled doom for the 200-odd souls on the Air France flight.

I'm not about to (nor can be ar$ed) to get into a Wiki vs industry article quoting orgy it was just an observation by a concerned, infrequent passenger at the mercy of aircraft that may or may not have bits of equipment that are known to have perhaps raised issues in the past.
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Re: Air France Plane Off Radar - flight AF 447

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I'm not about to (nor can be ar$ed) to get into a Wiki vs industry article quoting orgy it was just an observation by a concerned, infrequent passenger at the mercy of aircraft that may or may not have bits of equipment that are known to have perhaps raised issues in the past.
Then let me reassure you. Every single piece of equipment on an airplane has certainly (as opposed to perhaps) raised "issues" in the past, and most of them will continue to raise issues in the future.

The fact that planes do not fall out of the sky every time an "issue" happens is testimony to the training crews are given to deal with "issues".

However blindly asserting that the airplane has been knowingly released to service with known "defective bits and bobs" which have subsequently caused a crash is a hoppy-like statement and I cannot be ar$ed to find a proper adjective to qualify it.
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Then let me reassure you. Every single piece of equipment on an airplane has certainly (as opposed to perhaps) raised "issues" in the past, and most of them will continue to raise issues in the future.

The fact that planes do not fall out of the sky every time an "issue" happens is testimony to the training crews are given to deal with "issues".

However blindly asserting that the airplane has been knowingly released to service with known "defective bits and bobs" which have subsequently caused a crash is a hoppy-like statement and I cannot be ar$ed to find a proper adjective to qualify it.
But doesn't that tell you something?? Most people that use air travel are not industry experts in the slightest. I am the sheep that reads the media and thinks "Oh bollocks, these planes can't cope with a bit of ice." And dumb, ignorant or whatever that might seem to someone who is perhaps qualified in some kind of aeronautical science clever stuff, it is still a factor that plays on the minds of us mere mortals.

I am not so dumb not to realise that more flights stay in the sky than fall out of it but you should go easy on those people whose main concerns before the flight are "will it stay up there until it is guided back to earth by the pilot" and "I hope the two year old doesn't do his smelliest poo before the seatbelt sign goes off."

EDIT: The people who boarded the reopened flight AA447 on Sunday - do you not think they were quaking in their boots just slightly? Any aviation expert could poo-poo their fears and scoff and tell them the plane would be fine but any "man on the street" would certainly be listening out for any bump or crack until that plane touched down in Paris. Irrational? Yes, certainly.

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Re: Air France Plane Off Radar - flight AF 447

Again, excuse my ignorance, but should it be found that the Airspeed indicators were giving incorrect readings, and Air France's admission it knew this and was casually replacing them, aren't they massively liable/culpable for what happened? It seems they were allowing their fleet to fly knowing that a certain bit or bob wasn't working correctly.
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Re: Air France Plane Off Radar - flight AF 447

Its interesting how many people do "autopsias" without the "body" yet...

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Again, excuse my ignorance, but should it be found that the Airspeed indicators were giving incorrect readings, and Air France's admission it knew this and was casually replacing them, aren't they massively liable/culpable for what happened? It seems they were allowing their fleet to fly knowing that a certain bit or bob wasn't working correctly.
In the absence of a directive from Airbus then I would consider Air France to be proactive about resolving the problem, and not in the least culpable.

If Airbus had reports of this happening and still failed to issue a directive to airlines to replace the airspeed sensor then I would consider Airbus culpable.

Of course there are so many unknown factors in this that it's impossible to say who's liable, if anybody's liable at all.
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Re: Air France Plane Off Radar - flight AF 447

I see where you are coming from Slaphead, Airbus being the manufacturer are certainly not blame free were this to be the scenario that occurred, however, do they really need to issue a directive, given that Air France were already aware of the problem and in the middle of replacing them?

Surely common sense dictates that they needed to replace all of them, not just some of them, otherwise why bother changing any at all?
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Old 17.06.2009, 21:37
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They 'digiray' military aircraft, hopefully one day the commercial airlines will be able to afford this technology:

http://www.digiray.com/hangar/index.html
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Re: Air France Plane Off Radar - flight AF 447

For anyone who is still following this story...

Black Box Signals Located (Irish Times)
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Sounds detected under Atlantic are NOT doomed Air France jet's black box.

Report here.
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Old 23.06.2009, 15:48
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They 'digiray' military aircraft, hopefully one day the commercial airlines will be able to afford this technology:

http://www.digiray.com/hangar/index.html
Tomcat I got a groan for this- does that mean that you don't think that Digiray is a good thing, or that commercial aircraft will be able to afford it in future? You groan but I don't know why.

Maybe China will get digiray?

Two years after launching an assembly line in Tianjin, China, Airbus is preparing to deliver its first plane built outside Europe. The A320 jet will be delivered on Tuesday following a four-hour test flight last Thursday. Airbus hopes to deliver about 10 more assembled-in-China aircraft this year. At full capacity, the Tianjin plant will produce four A320s a month.

http://www.smartbrief.com/news/aia/s...2-F252906AEDDD
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Again?

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A currently officially unconfirmed report on JB Online, the on-line edition of a leading Brazilian newspaper, Jornal do Brasil, is stating that an Air France Airbus A330-200, flying from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, transmitted a Mayday distress call early in the morning of December 1 while flying over the South Atlantic.

The aircraft is now safe in Paris, but according to the report, it “dived” and lost altitude after or while passing through severe turbulence.

The incident reportedly happened some 680 nautical miles (nm) north-east of the Brazilian city of Fortaleza and about 750 nm south-east of Praia in the Cape Verde Islands.

According to the story, the Mayday signal was picked up by another A330-200, registration PT-MVG, belonging to the Brazilian airline TAM, at 03:05 Rio time. The Brazilian airliner was also flying from Rio to Paris.

On June 1, Air France Airbus A330-200 F-GZCP crashed into the South Atlantic, while flying from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, killing all 228 people on board. The cause of the disaster remains a mystery, but the aircraft was traversing a region of storms at the time.
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http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/art...bus-2009-12-01

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Again?
http://avherald.com/h?article=42380873&opt=0

Hardly....

It says "...the crew called Mayday on the international emergency frequency indicating, they encountered severe turbulence and were descending to a lower altitude." and further "the crew initiated oceanic contingency procedures to descend without ATC clearance. The turbulence lasted for about 30 minutes, the flight continued normally thereafter."

This is not an aircraft disappearing from the radar but an aircraft making a controlled descent and continuing afterwards. Given that in these areas there is no VHF contact with ATC special rules of behaviour apply.
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Wreckage from an Air France jet lost over the Atlantic nearly two years ago with 228 people on board has been found, French investigators say.

Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12953432
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Wreckage from an Air France jet lost over the Atlantic nearly two years ago with 228 people on board has been found, French investigators say.

Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12953432
Bit of a coincidence that, what with musa cusa or whatever being debriefed in London, and Sarkasty on the offensive in Libya
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I'd seen initial reports of this on the BBC website earlier but it's become truly chilling now I've read the responses here. My initial reaction was 'but it's too far south for the Bermuda Triangle, isn't it'. Now I'm thinking of scarier, more sinister explanations.
Do you know some possible explanations for that "Bermuda triangle"?

In some places the bottom of the ocean has some breaks where natural gases leak.

When that happens, the gas being lighter than water goes up to the surface.
If a boat has the bad luck to be there, it's screwed:
The gas being lighter and having not the same properties as water, the boat will immediately sink and disappear.

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Re: Air France Plane Off Radar - flight AF 447

Specialists could start recovering bodies of those killed in Air France's 2009 plane crash off Brazil within weeks, French officials say.

Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12961710
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They've found the black box! I never thought they would. I was told it was in pieces, but according to this article it is in very good condition. Hopefully we will have answers soon.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42850656...d_news-europe/

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Photos of the memory module showed that it had suffered little exterior corrosion, he said, though it was not clear whether the memory chip inside had been damaged. If it is still readable, it could provide critical information on the plane’s position, speed, altitude and direction when it ran into trouble.

“First we need to know if we can read it,” he said.

The plane’s other black box, the cockpit voice recorder, has not been located.

Because of its remote location, 600 miles off the northern coast of Brazil, it was expected to take eight to 10 days to transport the data recorder’s memory unit to Paris, where investigators will try to download its contents.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/wo...er=rss&emc=rss
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Very good news indeed.
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They've found the black box! I never thought they would. I was told it was in pieces, but according to this article it is in very good condition. Hopefully we will have answers soon.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42850656...d_news-europe/



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/wo...er=rss&emc=rss

Incredible technology achievement; congratulations to all involved.
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