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Old 04.06.2009, 10:27
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Flying is still the safest way to fly...
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You're still far more likely to cark it on the way to the airport.
Flying has a 100% perfect completion record ... not a single airplane ever stayed up there.
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Old 04.06.2009, 11:05
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Re: Air France Plane Off Radar - flight AF 447

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Flying has a 100% perfect completion record ... not a single airplane ever stayed up there.
Every take-off is voluntary, every landing mandatory...
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Old 04.06.2009, 11:08
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I read that the pilot was the son of a pilot, so I would have assumed experienced.
I am the son of a neurosurgeon..... by your definition I'm therefore experienced in brain surgery.

Anyone need a lobotomy? My fees are reasonable.
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Old 04.06.2009, 11:38
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... With the turbulence it is unlikely that he would have left the co-pilot alone. I read that the pilot was the son of a pilot, so I would have assumed experienced. ...
I apologize to the other forum users for feeding the troll, but I had to add one more comment. Experience of a pilot is not necessarily based on what the father / mother / great-uncle Bertrand did, but it is measured in hours of flight time.

In this case (AF 447) let's give some names to those that perished:
  • Captain Mark Dubois, 11'000 hrs
  • Co-pilot / First Officer David Robert, 6'600 hrs
  • Co-pilot / First Officer Pierre-Cedric Bonin, 3'300 hrs
That's a lot of experience in that cockpit.

Source: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...-of-pilot.html
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Re: Air France Plane Off Radar - flight AF 447

For those readers wondering why the crew didn't "send out a message" - here's a read about how it is to ride hurricane-force force winds.

Note that in the linked story we're talking of a hurricane-hunter aircraft, not a jet flying at 35'000ft very close to coffin-corner...
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Old 04.06.2009, 12:22
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For those readers wondering why the crew didn't "send out a message" - here's a read about how it is to ride hurricane-force force winds.

Note that in the linked story we're talking of a hurricane-hunter aircraft, not a jet flying at 35'000ft very close to coffin-corner...
Damn, soon you're gonna start explaining the differences between HF and UHF and VHF radios, too?

The trolls will like it.
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Old 04.06.2009, 12:26
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Re: Air France Plane Off Radar - flight AF 447

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I am the son of a neurosurgeon..... by your definition I'm therefore experienced in brain surgery.

Anyone need a lobotomy? My fees are reasonable.
I'm sure there's at least one person in this thread who would need an "brain implant", can you help this person?

Cheers
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Old 04.06.2009, 12:34
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I'm sure there's at least one person in this thread who would need an "brain implant", can you help this person?

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Frontal lobotomy might be the better option.
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Old 04.06.2009, 12:46
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Re: Air France Plane Off Radar - flight AF 447

I think the point scoring should be kept off this thread and a little respect shown for those lost on the flight.

Trolling (in the true sense of the meaning) didn't appear until the last couple of posts - up until then it had been (albeit misguided and perhaps incorrect) genuine opinion.
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Old 04.06.2009, 14:01
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Re: Air France Plane Off Radar - flight AF 447

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For those readers wondering why the crew didn't "send out a message" - here's a read about how it is to ride hurricane-force force winds.

Note that in the linked story we're talking of a hurricane-hunter aircraft, not a jet flying at 35'000ft very close to coffin-corner...
Good story which I read with apprehension.

I heard on SA radio that there was a possibility that the plane either broke in half in air during fall or in direct touch with ocean waves.

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Can't somebody PLEASE vote hoppy off this island?



If engines fail, due to ice buildup or fuel exhaustion or volcanic ash, airplanes don't crash, stall, self-destruct or disintegrate.

They simply turn into gliders.

For examples, see:

Boeing 767 Gimli Glider

Boeing 747 Volcanic Ash

Airbus 330 (gulp) over the Atlantic

There are other examples, you can use Google to locate them.

I think what happened here was a catastrophic event on board that airplane that didn't leave the crew much, if any, time to react. And it's aviate, navigate, communicate, so talking comes last. My guess is that they attempted to dodge some major thunderstorm cells and two cells converged on them, chewed up the plane and spit it out in pieces. The highly detailed analysis of Tim Vasquez (I think somebody referenced it earlier) outlines this and other scenarios:

http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/af447/



May their souls rest in peace.
I already said that someone had told me that they they would glide if there was engine failure -look at my post above! Also It was ME hoppy that first posted the Tim Vasquez whole analysis LOL Please read my posts!
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Old 04.06.2009, 14:35
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I am the son of a neurosurgeon..... by your definition I'm therefore experienced in brain surgery.

Anyone need a lobotomy? My fees are reasonable.
No but if yu are a brain surgeon and your father is a brain surgeon then... I would assume that your father had some influence on your decision and that neurosurgery was in some way 'in the family'
Having said that I guess that there may be pilots who got to be pilots because of daddy's influence, maybe even a few of you on this thread, who aren't necessarily any good -McCain is a good example.
Here's me a housewife just picking stuff up off the internet, not a pilot or scentist, yet infuriatiing all you ' experts'. Touch- touchy?
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Old 04.06.2009, 14:37
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Also It was ME hoppy that first posted the Tim Vasquez whole analysis
Congratulations.

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Old 04.06.2009, 14:40
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I already said that someone had told me that they they would glide if there was engine failure -look at my post above! Also It was ME hoppy that first posted the Tim Vasquez whole analysis LOL Please read my posts!
Really? Could be. I came across the Tim Vasquez analysis on a more aviation related forum a few days ago. Good for you that you found it, too.
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Re: Air France Plane Off Radar - flight AF 447

I have a question. Are those black boxes used in airplanes actually used on other vehicles too or for any other purposes, or are these strictly made for airplanes?
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I heard on SA radio that there was a possibility that the plane either broke in half in air during fall or in direct touch with ocean waves.
Of course it is all very much still speculation but the theories that I have seen opt for a mid-air break up rather than a ditching due to the distance over which the debris is spread.

Just thinking about that is enough to give me goose bumps...
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Old 04.06.2009, 15:09
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Re: Air France Plane Off Radar - flight AF 447

Now I will probably get another groan and people arguing against me using logic that I was the first to post - nuts wouldn't even cover that but OK whatever flies your boat.
The whole point in us arguing (I hope) on forums like this is not that we have some kind of morbid fascination but that we show the degree of public concern that will force the air industry to stop balancing economics with safety. I am willing to pay more for a safer flight. Everyone says that we are far more likely to die in a car accident on the way to the airport than in a flying accident, but really do these statistics take into account the fact that most of us spend way more hours driving, or crossing the road than flying?
Most accidents are caused by irresponsible drivers- drunk, too young, too old, bad mechanics. A better comparison to me would be who many accidents are there in chauffeur driven limosines compared to a commercial flight. Pilots are supposed to be highly trained and the aircraft are supposed to be at the forefront of technology.
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I have a question. Are those black boxes used in airplanes actually used on other vehicles too or for any other purposes, or are these strictly made for airplanes?
Get the lowdown from Auntie Wiki...
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Old 04.06.2009, 15:16
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Of course it is all very much still speculation but the theories that I have seen opt for a mid-air break up rather than a ditching due to the distance over which the debris is spread.

Just thinking about that is enough to give me goose bumps...
We have all experienced turbulence and it is scary but we fly again knowing that there is a good chance of it. I wouldn't mind going this way, still strapped into my seat, decompression -very quick.
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Old 04.06.2009, 15:18
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I have a question. Are those black boxes used in airplanes actually used on other vehicles too or for any other purposes, or are these strictly made for airplanes?
The black boxes in airplanes are actually painted orange so they can be found easier. There are typically 2 of them ... an FDR (flight data recorder) and a CVR (cockpit voice recorder). In the old days, they used real reel tapes, nowadays it's all digital / solid state. As far as I know there are similar black boxes for automobiles, trucks, boats, but I think the aviation-approved black boxes are made specifically for airplanes.
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