Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #361  
Old 16.08.2009, 13:01
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 4,518
Groaned at 491 Times in 320 Posts
Thanked 4,099 Times in 1,952 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:

Please see my comment above. You chose to work in the United Kingdom. You chose to subscribe to our system of taxes and welfare. If you don't like that, tough titty. Choose better next time.
.
It's what I said: NHS, you can not talk about it.

You like or or you go away.

No opportunities for debates, discussions, to create a fairer system for everyone as any critic is immediately against NHS, from horrible nazis from eat your babies and rape your grandmother in the train, after looking for her for 7 years.
Reply With Quote
  #362  
Old 16.08.2009, 13:02
Blonaybear's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Blonay
Posts: 1,593
Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 836 Times in 432 Posts
Blonaybear has a reputation beyond reputeBlonaybear has a reputation beyond reputeBlonaybear has a reputation beyond reputeBlonaybear has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:
View Post
My (ex)wife had a colonoscopy. Stick a camera up there and have a look. We had insurance. Bill: 9,800 dollars, fully covered minus 400 deductible.
I knew that American medical costs were a lot higher than the Swiss but this difference is huge. At todays exchange rate $9,800 = CHF 10,509. I had a colonoscopy six month ago and the total cost was CHF 866.85 (standard TarMed tariff). Thatís CHF 9642.5 cheaper and more than enough to pay a return air flight !
Reply With Quote
  #363  
Old 16.08.2009, 13:04
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:
View Post
It's what I said: NHS, you can not talk about it.

You like or or you go away.
No, you don't understand at all, do you?

We can talk about the NHS. We can moan about it, we can demand reform, we can even insist it be abolished, if we want. We are the citizens of the United Kingdom.

You, on the other hand, are a foreigner who chose to move to the United Kingdom of your own free will.

You didn't like it. You went away.

So where's the problem?
Reply With Quote
  #364  
Old 16.08.2009, 13:10
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 4,518
Groaned at 491 Times in 320 Posts
Thanked 4,099 Times in 1,952 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:
Maybe that is the problem.

Other people, when they are unemployed, take any job that is offered, because it is better to be working than to be dependent on the state.

Others turn their noses up at jobs they consider to be beneath them, and remain unemployed.

I'm sorry, but I cannot have any sympathy with someone who is only looking for a decent job.

Most of the rest of us don't have that luxury.
I said already I am not dependent and living on my savings.
I don't understand and have a very different opinion that I should accept "any" job.
I am an IT Support Engineer, and I am not going to work as a cleaner.
First I don't like that job, and second it's not going to bring anything to my qualifications and will only maintain me in a poor state (mentally, financially, etc...).
When I mean a "decent job" is any job related to IT Support Engineering, and not being a chief in a kitchen.

That's why we have qualifications and skills no? That's also the basis of the society, if I am not mistaken!

And to remain in the NHS topic, if I have a low income (such as cleaner wage) I would have social support from NHS, and my contributions will be lower than my benefits= loss for NHS.

And excuse me if you think I am pedant or posh, but that is a false impression, I have a degree in IT and I will work in IT. Whatever is suitable for my profile! That's what I called a decent job, for example "support" (it's far from a banker wage).
Reply With Quote
  #365  
Old 16.08.2009, 13:11
Laurence_PLover's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: EU
Posts: 64
Groaned at 7 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 31 Times in 23 Posts
Laurence_PLover has made some interesting contributions
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:
View Post
Yes they (= neds, people who can't work because they are stressed of work...it's real in UK!!!, basically half of the british ok that one is not real but close...) take it for granted.

they're will never considering giving up on NHS which offers them free health treatment for their drink abuse, smoking abuse, weekend fights, teenage pregnancy, etc... for very cheap*

*of course it's other people who studied to earn more (what a con, really...) and contribute more. So at the end you get average salary (between 20k25k annum) and you pay like £300 a month for NHS...

So it's not that good anymore isn't it?

And when you've over £5000 savings (which is not the end of the world if you are working and not spending all your money on crap), and have the bad luck to become unemployed: end of the benefits. You're too rich for getting back some of what you contributed.

== You pay for poors and will never be in a position to get some money back (called benefit).

Unless you become poor yourself! *hm yes I feel I'm very stress for going to work, Hm I've no more savings (withdraw it all from your bank account and leave it at home), please sir... i want some more!

The amount and period of your contributions to a social and unemployment fund in Scotland or wherever is also valid throughout the EU and CH.

So in your terms of reference, it is not money thrown away.


L.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Laurence_PLover for this useful post:
  #366  
Old 16.08.2009, 13:14
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 4,518
Groaned at 491 Times in 320 Posts
Thanked 4,099 Times in 1,952 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:
No, you don't understand at all, do you?

We can talk about the NHS. We can moan about it, we can demand reform, we can even insist it be abolished, if we want. We are the citizens of the United Kingdom.

You, on the other hand, are a foreigner who chose to move to the United Kingdom of your own free will.

You didn't like it. You went away.

So where's the problem?
I lived 5 years there, and still have a valid address, I have therefore, by European laws, the permanent residency in the UK and I am considered as a British Citizen.
The only missing detail is the nationality, which I can obtain for £780 pounds.

Therefore WE can talk about the NHS.

Also, I am not a "foreigner" because I am in France right now, even if I feel like it I am not officially.

PS: I did not like it, I had the right to vote. I moved away as I had no job and was not close to get any


*PAF: British Citizen 1- Other British Citizen 0
Reply With Quote
  #367  
Old 16.08.2009, 13:18
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 4,518
Groaned at 491 Times in 320 Posts
Thanked 4,099 Times in 1,952 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:
View Post
The amount and period of your contributions to a social and unemployment fund in Scotland or wherever is also valid throughout the EU and CH.

So in your terms of reference, it is not money thrown away.


L.
That's right and that's something to keep in mind.
A little detail, is the "outcome" of that European huge advantage compared to poor countries, is that it concerns your retirement.
If it does not change in between...As it's very likely to happen...

While the contributions you are making should also relate to your current difficult social context...

And is not currently the case in the UK.
And should be to attract more qualified staff to pour more money into the NHS (before it collapses, as I heard in the news sometimes).
Reply With Quote
  #368  
Old 16.08.2009, 13:19
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:
View Post
I am an IT Support Engineer, and I am not going to work as a cleaner.
No. You are unemployed. You would like to be an IT Support Engineer, but you are not one at the moment.

However, since you are living off your savings, and not being supported by the state, that is your business.

I disagree vehemently with your attitude, but you don't cost me or anyone I care about a penny, so I'll let you carry on believing you're better than a cleaner or a chef.
Reply With Quote
  #369  
Old 16.08.2009, 13:21
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:
View Post
The only missing detail is the nationality
Yeah, a tiny, insignificant detail, isn't it?
Reply With Quote
  #370  
Old 16.08.2009, 13:27
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 4,518
Groaned at 491 Times in 320 Posts
Thanked 4,099 Times in 1,952 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:
Yeah, a tiny, insignificant detail, isn't it?
Tiny but I am still a British CITIZEN which you apparently missed on your previous critic (S).

And I never said I am better than a cleaner or a chief, if I was I would be also dumb because IT SUPPORT is far from being as good as lawyer or doctor or pilot.

My mother is cleaner and I know the consequences it had on her and people around and on her life. I don't want that and studied hard and paid lot to have decent studies in IT.

And to come back to the topic, I am discussing about the NHS in the UK, and I am saying that it's incomplete and should be modified to cover all British Citizens, not only the poorest. Especially when you contribute much more and will never be in the position to get help when you need it.

If you don't like it, fair enough, but don't be a dumb racist british talking about a "foreigner".
Reply With Quote
  #371  
Old 16.08.2009, 13:30
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:
View Post
And to come back to the topic, I am discussing about the NHS in the UK, and I am saying that it's incomplete and should be modified to cover all British Citizens, not only the poorest.
It already does.

Corresponding with you is like talking to a brick wall.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #372  
Old 16.08.2009, 13:30
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:
View Post
If you don't like it, fair enough, but don't be a dumb racist british talking about a "foreigner".


A Frenchman plays the Race Card! Magic!
Reply With Quote
  #373  
Old 16.08.2009, 13:32
Laurence_PLover's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: EU
Posts: 64
Groaned at 7 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 31 Times in 23 Posts
Laurence_PLover has made some interesting contributions
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

"and I am saying that it's incomplete and should be modified to cover all British Citizens, not only the poorest."

But it (NHS) does.


I have the feeling I am hearing all of these arguments for the nth time.

Surely this is a waste of bandwidth?


L.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Laurence_PLover for this useful post:
  #374  
Old 16.08.2009, 13:33
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 4,518
Groaned at 491 Times in 320 Posts
Thanked 4,099 Times in 1,952 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:
It already does.

Corresponding with you is like talking to a brick wall.
Yes you are right. For Health Costs, which is already a very big advantage compare to some countries.

I am only criticizing the "work/unemployment" cover aspect of the NHS, and I should have been more precise.
Reply With Quote
  #375  
Old 16.08.2009, 13:36
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 4,518
Groaned at 491 Times in 320 Posts
Thanked 4,099 Times in 1,952 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:
View Post
"and I am saying that it's incomplete and should be modified to cover all British Citizens, not only the poorest."

But it (NHS) does.


I have the feeling I am hearing all of these arguments for the nth time.

Surely this is a waste of bandwidth?


L.
yes as I just said my mistake, I am just talking about "unemployment cover".
Reply With Quote
  #376  
Old 16.08.2009, 13:40
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:
View Post
I am only criticizing the "work/unemployment" cover aspect of the NHS, and I should have been more precise.
NHS = National Health Service.

Oh, and if you haven't got British nationality, then you are not a British Citizen. Just so you know.

I'm out of this argument. If you don't even know what the NHS actually is, then it's hardly worth discussing it with you.
Reply With Quote
  #377  
Old 16.08.2009, 13:57
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 4,518
Groaned at 491 Times in 320 Posts
Thanked 4,099 Times in 1,952 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:
NHS = National Health Service.

Oh, and if you haven't got British nationality, then you are not a British Citizen. Just so you know.

I'm out of this argument. If you don't even know what the NHS actually is, then it's hardly worth discussing it with you.
Well at least I recognize when I am wrong as opposed to you!

I might have been confused on NHS with JobCenter, I would ask why on the Payslip it mention NHS but it's probably another topic and don't want to disturb this one further.

I still don't get which contribution on the payslip is related to Unemployment Cover then, as if in Switzerland they will pay you over 70% of your ex-salary, where they take that money from?

Oh and for the British Citizenship we are both wrong:
I can become a British Citizen by registration after 5 years.
I don't need to be a British "national", unless national means residing in UK then I am a "national". I am not sure the exact term, but who cares anyway!

You have been fair on critics, as that a very poor behavior. I admitted having been inaccurate and you are still criticizing. That just show how poor minded you are. You have also called me a "foreigner" and denied my rights about talking about UK. I have shown you how after 5 years in the UK, I had rights, but you still denying them.


You could have asked if I was sure I am talking about NHS and not confusing, but you chose critics instead; very good British behavior!


So Nice to hear from Little Britain!
I'm out of here too, Brick Wall number 2.
Reply With Quote
  #378  
Old 16.08.2009, 14:04
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:
View Post
I would ask why on the Payslip it mention NHS
It doesn't.

Are you related to Hoppy?
Reply With Quote
  #379  
Old 16.08.2009, 14:22
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 4,518
Groaned at 491 Times in 320 Posts
Thanked 4,099 Times in 1,952 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:
It doesn't.

Are you related to Hoppy?
hm...
I am confused now...
It mention on an old Payslip:

National Insurance TD
Tax PAYE
and Tax paid TD

If "national insurance" contribution is not going to NHS then I admit I am confused. It must go there directly or indirectly!?

Last edited by CorsebouTheReturn; 16.08.2009 at 14:45.
Reply With Quote
  #380  
Old 16.08.2009, 14:27
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Quote:
View Post
hm...
I am confused now...
It mention on an old Payslip:

National Insurance TD: 283.62
Tax PAYE: 296.00
and Tax paid TD: 398.40

If "national insurance" contribution is not going to NHS then I admit I am confused. It must go there directly or indirectly!?
There are several posts earlier in this thread that discuss the relationship of National Insurance contributions and the National Health Service.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
Reply

Tags
america, cod fish, health care debate, nhs




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
UK: how much does NHS cost? Uncle GroOve General off-topic 8 10.07.2009 18:30
Ski boot fitters in or near Geneva? kutyafal Sports / Fitness / Beauty / Wellness 1 21.01.2009 11:02
Car Boot Sale sharon Other/general 6 02.11.2007 17:40
UK NHS doctor - what to do when moving to Switzerland ? Crazyclogs Family matters/health 11 07.07.2007 00:43


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 07:58.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0