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Americans put the boot into the NHS

With the upcoming proposal for a part nationalized healthcare plan in the US, the right wing bunch have been getting on the case distorting the understanding of the NHS to make it seem like Britain is still in the dark ages. This is both unfortunate and unfair and the clinical leads in the NHS have been doing the rounds to set the record at least a bit straighter:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...g-attacks.html

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Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

great sense of humour you have there
expect a response!
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Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

The truth is probably somewhere in-between that, and Michael Moore's hopelessly romantic view of the NHS



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Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

The NHS is not free is it? I have never lived in the UK, but
aren't deductions taken out of your paycheck to pay for
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The NHS is not free is it? I have never lived in the UK, but
aren't deductions taken out of your paycheck to pay for
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No, it isn't free, but it is uniform - everyone pays a contribution when they are employed and it covers all the population so you can get healthcare at point of entry. As long as you are a UK resident then there is no idea of paying for your healthcare at time of treatment, you just contribute your National Insurance each month like everyone else and if you are out of work for some reason you will still be covered.
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The NHS is not free is it? I have never lived in the UK, but
aren't deductions taken out of your paycheck to pay for
the NHS.
Yes, you pay a contribution from your income but this, in itself, is not sufficient to keep the service going so it also need large amounts of tax money as well. In the end you have no idea as to how much it is actually costing you !
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Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

The contributions to the NHS are a percentage of your income then?

i.e. A person making 100K pay more than someone making 50K.
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The contributions to the NHS are a percentage of your income then?

i.e. A person making 100K pay more than someone making 50K.
This will give you a good overview of the system. But in answer to your question generally yes - with exceptions.
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Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

As with all forms of tax is not that straightforward. There are upper and lower limits. I seem to remember that this was covered in another thread - I'll try to find it when I have time.
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The contributions to the NHS are a percentage of your income then?

i.e. A person making 100K pay more than someone making 50K.
I will probably get corrected here as I am no expert but everyone pays a national insurance contribution which is like a little "seperate tax" on your income and this pays things like NHS, state pension and stuff. Then there is your standard income tax which gives the government its big pot of money which it then seperates out into education, health and so forth. So yes in principle if your a high earner you will get taxed more and this will mean you contribute more to the NHS. Mind you it means you pay more for everything if you look at it like that because your tax bill is used in all areas of public funding.
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Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Interesting. I have lived on socialized medicine in Germany, and
I found everything to be great.

Obama's plan has a big hole in the financing at the moment
to the tune of 300 billion USD.

Personally, I prefer the Swiss system. Everyone, as most of
you know, is required to buy insurance. I just don't see
that happening in the US.
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Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Here's the NHI contributions but please, don't ask me to explain it ! I much prefer the Swiss system as I know what I put in and what I take out.

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Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

Probably posted elsewhere, but apparently, if Stephen Hawking were British and treated ny the NHS, he wouldn't be here now.
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Re: Americans put the boot into the NHS

I´m sure he could work out the odds!



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Probably posted elsewhere, but apparently, if Stephen Hawking were British and treated ny the NHS, he wouldn't be here now.
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Probably posted elsewhere, but apparently, if Stephen Hawking were British and treated ny the NHS, he wouldn't be here now.
Steven Hawking is British!!!
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Steven Hawking is British!!!
He also is alive and very much because of the NHS - read the telegraph article at the top and you can see Stephen Hawking has stepped in to declare that it is because of the excellent NHS care that he is still around doing the maths today!
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Steven Hawking is British!!!
Who would have thunk it... Even with him being the Lucasian Professor of Mathematics in Cambridge, a post that has only ever been held by English (or Irish) men...

But of course the facts don't really matter when it comes to the news... It's kind of sad that the most trusted News Anchor in America is a Comedian...
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The contributions to the NHS are a percentage of your income then?

i.e. A person making 100K pay more than someone making 50K.

I thinks its changed recently, but it used to be a percentage and capped at around £3700 per year, so the 50k person would be paying the same as the 100k person.

I think since I left the uk the cap has been removed now though.

I also think the nhs is miles better the the US system! you may not get the very latest and more expensive treatments, but you'll also not be bankrupted should you catch anything nasty.

eg my mate in the uk diagnosed with cancer, almost 12 months of chemo and radiotherophy every coupld of weeks, then monthly blood test etc for the next 5 years (he is clear now), how much did that cost him? not a penny, how much would that have cost in the US?
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Probably posted elsewhere, but apparently, if Stephen Hawking were British and treated ny the NHS, he wouldn't be here now.
Fair point, with two rebuttals:

1.) Looking at the progression of his disease, it was a very slow progress. He became famous rather quickly. One could argue that his celebrity status tipped the "death panel" in his favor before he progressed to the most debilitating stages of his disease.

From Wiki:

The diagnosis of motor neuron disease came when Hawking was 21 [circa 1963], shortly before his first marriage, and doctors said he would not survive more than two or three years. Hawking gradually lost the use of his arms, legs, and voice, and is now almost completely paralysed.

Hawking's illness is markedly different from typical ALS in the fact that his form of ALS would make for the most protracted case ever documented.

Hawking was elected as one of the youngest Fellows of the Royal Society in 1974, was created a Commander of the Order of the British Empire in 1982, and became a Companion of Honour in 1989. Hawking is a member of the Board of Sponsors of The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.

During a visit to the research centre CERN in Geneva in 1985, Hawking contracted pneumonia, which in his condition was life-threatening as it further restricted his already limited respiratory capacity. He had an emergency tracheotomy, and as a result lost what remained of his ability to speak. He has since used an electronic voice synthesizer to communicate.

2.) The professor is an employee of Cambridge University. Do we know for sure if he has private insurance through them or not?

I'd like to hear a regular citizen of the UK come forward with a story like this. I'm not saying Hawking is lying, but I always take celebrity anecdotes like this with a gigantic salt tablet.

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2.) The professor is an employee of Cambridge University. Do we know for sure if he has private insurance through them or not?
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"I wouldn’t be here today if it were not for the NHS," Hawking told The Guardian. "I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived."
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