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Old 19.08.2009, 12:06
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It sounds like the typical expat mentality. Even if most of them have never been "home".
I don't know if this still happens, but it was common for expat women to go back to the UK for childbirth. One aim was to ensure that the children would be entitled to a British passport (obviously medical facilities and proximity of family were important too).

The overriding reason for many expats I met was that if it was a boy and born in Yorkshire he would be eligible to play for Yorkshire County Cricket Club.
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Old 19.08.2009, 12:10
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What a thread! I almost thanked Hoppy just to go against the flow of groans.
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Old 19.08.2009, 13:37
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Well they fought for the country and you say FFS and..

I think that this is an insult to those servicemen who fought. It is the same as saying FFS, WTF do British soldiers have to do with Iraq or Afghanistan.

In February Prince William was supposed to go to the Falklands but I don't know if he went.

Here's the link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/ju...-snub-monarchy

Hoppy,

I'm saying FFS to your post.

If I had to guess, I'd say that you write about 1/8 of the stuff you post here. Even then, it's unclear if they are your own thoughts, or if their just the first few lines some article you half read and then linked to.

This is another thread that you will populate with links and stories of dubious merit. I'm f^"king sick of this. If you want to discuss a topic, then discuss it, but use your own thoughts and opinions. Copying and pasting others opinions does not count. Throwing in links left, right and centre does no one any favours. I know that I've stopped reading any of that crap, because from past experience, it's often entirely unrelated drivel (Trent Engines, anyone).

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Hoppy,

I'm saying FFS to your post.

If I had to guess, I'd say that you write about 1/8 of the stuff you post here.
Are you in a generous mood today?
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Old 19.08.2009, 14:36
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Done-I am starting a thread for all those who want to know about the Falklands
Any time you're ready, now - feel free to post some real information.
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Margaret Thatcher's attitude was amazing throughout the crisis and I will always admire her for that. The Galtieri military junta was betting on the typical western European apathy to prevail. Boy were they wrong. Margaret Thatcher stepped up and did the right thing.
As a beneficial side effect, the military junta collapsed shortly after.
Well if you really look into it you'll find the Thatcher government caused the whole thing in the first place. Diplomatic signals have been given out for a while beforehand to the indicating that we weren't really interested in the islands any more and the Argentinians could have them back if they would ask nicely and talk to us. The withdrawal and non replacement of the navy antarctic survey ship Endurance was seen as a strong signal of this as it broke the only real physical tie between the islands and the UK. Unfortunately Galtieri decided to invade instead of talk, forcing Thatchers hand somewhat.

Of course for domestic political purposes she must have been delighted.
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Re: The ( Malvinas ) Falklands War

don't know if its been posted before, and can't be bothered to read all the posts, but the falklands, via its territorial waters, has some rather juicy mineral rights.

Also read an article from the french pm at the time, france had sold the argies there missiles that had been sinking the uk's ships, Maggie demanded that france hand over the missiles kill codes (so they could disable them in flight, nice) else she would nuke the argies!!!! The french pm gave her the codes but also made her sign upto the channel tunnel. It was always denied that nukes where sent with the fleet, so how much of that was just a good story to sell a biography we'll never know.
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don't know if its been posted before, and can't be bothered to read all the posts, but the falklands, via its territorial waters, has some rather juicy mineral rights.

Also read an article from the french pm at the time, france had sold the argies there missiles that had been sinking the uk's ships, Maggie demanded that france hand over the missiles kill codes (so they could disable them in flight, nice) else she would nuke the argies!!!! The french pm gave her the codes but also made her sign upto the channel tunnel. It was always denied that nukes where sent with the fleet, so how much of that was just a good story to sell a biography we'll never know.
Another interesting snippet, and one more relevent to the forum, is the help the RAF got from the Swiss regarding the radar frequencies, effective range and number of Oerlikon AA cannons the Argentinians had been sold...

[edit] I should say 'more relevant than the original topic'...
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Old 19.08.2009, 15:09
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Well if you really look into it you'll find the Thatcher government caused the whole thing in the first place. Diplomatic signals have been given out for a while beforehand to the indicating that we weren't really interested in the islands any more and the Argentinians could have them back if they would ask nicely and talk to us. The withdrawal and non replacement of the navy antarctic survey ship Endurance was seen as a strong signal of this as it broke the only real physical tie between the islands and the UK. Unfortunately Galtieri decided to invade instead of talk, forcing Thatchers hand somewhat.

Of course for domestic political purposes she must have been delighted.
I am glad that his government was brought down, but bringing down a fascist government was not what motivated Thatcher, if that was so, she would have gone after Pinochet, instead of protecting him.

Everything that I have read says that oil was not discovered until well until after the conflict.

I have met a few people in a professional capacity, and a few soldiers, but it was in a professional capacity, I don't think that I am at liberty to discuss it. However I got the impression that what they wanted most was independence, but are unable to protect themselves, they prefer British protection to Argentinian. None of them had full British nationality until 1983, so what were they until then? I can't find any reports of mass petitioning for British nationality before then, so it couldn't have been a major concern. Also 30% do not consider themselves British.

If they now have oil will they try to seceed like Scotland? Or will the UK be able to rake back what was spent on the conflict.
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Old 19.08.2009, 15:24
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I have met a few people in a professional capacity, and a few soldiers, but it was in a professional capacity, I don't think that I am at liberty to discuss it.
Really?

There are forum members who have served there during the conflict or after... let's ask them. Oops! It's secret
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Old 19.08.2009, 15:25
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Re: The ( Malvinas ) Falklands War

There is remarkably little on t'internet about the Falklanders wanting independence, and even then, it seems to be more about trumping Argentina over sovereignty than wanting to be 'free' of Britain.

http://my.telegraph.co.uk/ben_fenton...f_independence
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Old 19.08.2009, 15:29
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Everybody has their own point of view, and in my opinion are entitled to it. However, has anyone here actually been to the Falklands and asked the locals what they think??? I was there for only a couple of weeks and I can say that every Falkland Islander I spoke to considered themselves British.
Were you there before the conflict or after? I met mine during the conflict.
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Old 19.08.2009, 15:35
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Really?

There are forum members who have served there during the conflict or after... let's ask them. Oops! It's secret
I never served there- I was never in the armed forces. People in the armed forces are far more at liberty to talk about their experience with regards to this than I am. I worked in the medical field.
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Everything that I have read says that oil was not discovered until well until after the conflict.
discovered probably not, but its been know for decades that oil is around there, its all down to wether its cost effective to drill it out, until recently the answer has always been no.

I remember as a kid watching all this unfold on the news, at the time one of the reasons given for defending the island was its vast mineral reserves, which minerals they never said
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If only all politics could be solved through photoshop.

The FCO puts forward a very good case:
http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/about-the-f...e=history&pg=3
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I never served there- I was never in the armed forces. People in the armed forces are far more at liberty to talk about their experience with regards to this than I am. I worked in the medical field.
So you signed something more restrictive then the Official Secrets Act?
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So you signed something more restrictive then the Official Secrets Act?
Patient confidentiality I don't know what the consequences would be but don't want to find out, alhtough I guess whateve I have is old news. I will try finding it in the internet if I find it then I will post it!
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Patient confidentiality I don't know what the consequences would be but don't want to find out, alhtough I guess whateve I have is old news. I will try finding it in the internet if I find it then I will post it!

from nearly 30 years ago?? unless your going to post up there full names and addresses as well I don't think you'll be in any bother!!
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Old 19.08.2009, 16:46
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from nearly 30 years ago?? unless your going to post up there full names and addresses as well I don't think you'll be in any bother!!
I don't know! Mymum worked at I think it was Bletchley Park during the war while they were trying to crack the enigma machine she didn't talk about that for until shortly before her death! (she also operated a crane and worked on gyroscopic gun sights)
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