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The way different countries treat beers! (and women, for that matter)

Sorry for my ignorance, but I didn't know that was so bad in front of the Muslim laws for a (Muslim) woman to drink a beer!
Malaysia delays caning of woman who drank beer

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090824/...aning_for_beer

In this case, according to the authorities, the purpose of the caning is to educate, rather than punishing! A bit contradictory to me with the image I've seen in the Malaysian adds on CNN about the moderation of the country.

I know there are many Malaysians in this forum, and no intention to disrespect your laws and customs. Just to see the point of view from different people on this subject.
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Does this mean... its ok for Men to drink beer?
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Old 24.08.2009, 13:15
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Re: The way different countries treat beers! (and women, for that matter)

Thanks for bringing this up - another user ( ZDA ) brought it up earlier ( although it was OT to that thread ).

In Malaysia, we have two sets of laws running in parallel - Common Law ( secular criminal and civil ) as well as Shariah Laws.

Sharia Laws do not have jurisdiction over non-Muslims ( who are subjected only to secular law - borrowed from the Brits, Ozzies and Indians ).

The model in question has always been subjected to Shariah Law being a Muslim.

Usually offenders cop a fine and that's the end of it. In this case she has waived her right to appeal the sentence - reasons best known to her.

To me it looks like either:



a) a publicity stunt by to draw international attention to a silly and selective application of shariah law in Malaysia, i.e. "OK cane me, but do it publicly so that the world can see how ridiculous you are".


b) a publicity stunt by the model to raise her own profile. I don't think anyone outside of Malaysia/Singapore had heard much of her before. Now she will have a future after her modelling career as a spokeswoman for say women's rights.


c) she really feels like she should be punished because she did something wrong.

Either way, good on her. She has a unique opportunity to make a change to Malaysia for the better (my money's on a+b)
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Sorry for my ignorance, but I didn't know that was so bad in front of the Muslim laws for a (Muslim) woman to drink a beer!
Malaysia delays caning of woman who drank beer

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090824/...aning_for_beer

In this case, according to the authorities, the purpose of the caning is to educate, rather than punishing! A bit contradictory to me with the image I've seen in the Malaysian adds on CNN about the moderation of the country.

I know there are many Malaysians in this forum, and no intention to disrespect your laws and customs. Just to see the point of view from different people on this subject.
If you think caning's bad, look at the Middle East, where women can and have suffered the following punishments:

-being stoned to death

-being drowned in a swimming pool

-being pressured by family members to commit suicide

Jean Sasson's Princess trilogy is an excellent read if anyone is interested in exploring the plight of women in Islamic countries more fully.
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Old 24.08.2009, 13:45
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Does this mean... its ok for Men to drink beer?
I guess not during the Ramadan ... and the rest of the year either! Really not sure how it works, can someone comment?
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Re: The way different countries treat beers! (and women, for that matter)

Ramadan or not, Muslim men and women are prohibited by religious injunctions from alcohol consumption.

Ramadan or not, non-Muslim men and women can drink to their heart's content, or visit the thriving casinos and other spots that are prohibited to Muslims.

It becomes messy when for example one spouse is a Muslim and the other is not and if these are issues ( children ) from that marriage / relationship - that probably deserves another thread.
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I hope none of you are guilty of a gravely disordered action today:

"Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."

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"Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."

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Ramadan or not, Muslim men and women are prohibited by religious injunctions from alcohol consumption.

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Ah hah..now i understand why u deleted my Posts about the BLACK STONE inside Mecca..kaaba..

do muslims still beleive that it was a stone from heaven or maybe it was just a Comet or metoer..
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