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Gordon Brown labelled dour and depressing by Obama aides

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Barack Obama's and his senior aides thought Gordon Brown was "lacklustre" and "depressing" when they first met, a new biography claims.



By contrast they were "taken" with David Cameron and thought he showed "verve and dynamism".

The biography, Called Renegade, by Newsweek journalist Richard Wolffe also reveals that Mr Obama's aides sensed an "end of regime feel" when he meeting Mr Brown in July last year.

Mr Wolffe says: "Mr Obama 'had a strong impression and a strong reaction to both Cameron and Brown. He was really taken with Cameron. He and his aides thought that Cameron had energy and verve and dynamism.

"There was a bonding that took place that you might not expect of two politicians at opposite ends of the political spectrum. Brown on the other hand really they found very 'lacklustre' because of 'his mood, his dourness'. They found the experience faintly depressing actually a sort of end of regime feel about the whole thing."

Mr Woolfe said Mr Obama had never personally called Mr Brown "depressing" but his senior aides gave that "very, very strong impression".
Mr Woolfe was granted unique access to Mr Obama and played basketball with him during the campaign.

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Re: Gordon Brown labelled dour and depressing by Obama aides

Ok, Gordy is dull but genuine, I think (at least in comparison to Cameron)
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Old 07.09.2009, 14:51
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He doesn't have the American flash that Blair managed to pull off...
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Ok, Gordy is dull but genuine, I think (at least in comparison to Cameron)
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If he gets to be PM, I wonder how much Cameron's "verve and dynamism" is going to cost the British taxpayer.
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If he gets to be PM, I wonder how much Cameron's "verve and dynamism" is going to cost the British taxpayer.

It would be impossible to cost more then brown has cost! stock market at the same value as when labour came to power, good job. Pensions worth sod all thanks to his tax grab, and selling off the gold reserves at gold record low price (helped by him announcing his plan well before hand) the guy is a class A moron.
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If he gets to be PM, I wonder how much Cameron's "verve and dynamism" is going to cost the British taxpayer.
I thought that tax payers were usually better off under the Tories.
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It would be impossible to cost more then brown has cost! stock market at the same value as when labour came to power, good job. Pensions worth sod all thanks to his tax grab, and selling off the gold reserves at gold record low price (helped by him announcing his plan well before hand) the guy is a class A moron.
Probably trying to sell UK off to the IMF and then get a Job as IMF Chief
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Re: Gordon Brown labelled dour and depressing by Obama aides

The current labour govt is quite possibly the most incompetent and corrupt in living memory. I'm not sure about Cameron, but he can't be any worse than Mandels...oops, Brown and his cronies. Quite glad I'm resident in (and soon to be citizen of) a country which isn't governed bled dry by the EuSSR and it's payments. Hell even the UKIP is an attractive prospect compared with 5 more years of Broon.

Oh yeah, not forgetting the whole Lockerbie situation. I'm sure Obama was delighted about that.
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Probably trying to sell UK off to the IMF and then get a Job as IMF Chief
So rather like Tony Bliar and the EU Presidency gig
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Re: Gordon Brown labelled dour and depressing by Obama aides

You have got to be joking on this
It will take years to put right what Blair/Brown have done to the country
Too damn right its gonna cost all UK taxpayers


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I thought that tax payers were usually better off under the Tories.
With the poor state the country is in I don't see how Cameron is going to do any better than Brown.. other than using his dynamism to get the feel good factor back. The last feel good factor under Blair cost an awful lot of money and put most of the country into debt.

Didn't Blair get on well with the Bush administration, eager little PM that he was, do they see the same* do as we say* agreeable ilk in Cameron.
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So rather like Tony Bliar and the EU Presidency gig
it's what he always wanted isn't it? "President Blair"?
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Ok, Gordy is dull but genuine, I think (at least in comparison to Cameron)
Gordan Brown is probably genuine and caring to the middle class people.
However, he got it all wrong and the middle class are suffering the most.
He can't have any excuses as he was the chancellor. He makes a lousy Prime Minister.

Cameron will more than likely win the next election, not due to his talent, simply because people are cheesed off with Labour and Brown.
Cameron can't be worse than Gordan Brown though.
I wouldn't trust him. He seems to me like one of those creapies that says everything right until he is in a position to screw you.

I cannot see anyone in government being tough enough to lead
Britain (lets leave the Great out).
The country needs a strong leader like Thatcher was to straighten things out, Cameron is not that person.
Probably the best leader would have been William Hague but he was leader of the conservatives at the wrong time.

There are no characters in politics like there were in the 80's in the Thatcher days.
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You have got to be joking on this
It will take years to put right what Blair/Brown have done to the country
Too damn right its gonna cost all UK taxpayers
Blair and Brown arrived in on a crest of a wave, enjoyed it and then proceeded to do what most politicians do - sweet F. A.. well, apart from Blair liking the international stage and putting it out there. I lived in the UK when the Tories were on their way out and listened constantly to how sick to death everyone was with them (similar to what I'm hearing now about Labour). They were the ones who gave the green light to the Millennium Dome: incredible waste of money. The Tories could have done something amazing with the underground tube system but why spend money to improve something that already exsits and where everyone in London would benefit. No-one in politics seem to be interested in making improvements, it's all crisis management - it's always been like that as far as I can see. The local politicians who are cutting their teeth on smaller matters tend to grab my attention, they often assist the public and make things happen for the good but it's small scale stuff.

Of course Cameron is going to get in next election - it's swings and roundabouts folks, swings and roundabouts..
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Cameron will more than likely win the next election, not due to his talent, simply because people are cheesed off with Labour and Brown.
Isn't that what always happens? Public get cheesed off with current government and vote in the opposition.

Here's an old one for you - "It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets in"
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Brown made no secret of the fact that he wanted to be PM. A good example of Be careful what you wish for you may get it !
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Re: Gordon Brown labelled dour and depressing by Obama aides

In my humble opinion the whole new labour thing has been a COMPLETE disaster for Britain. One of the reasons why I want to end my days here in sunny Suisse

True the last tory lot became sleazy and the economy was basically under the control of spivs and bankers (I speak as a banker myself...) but has the last 12 years really been any different? The things that this lot said they'd do simply haven't happened:
  • The gap between rich and poor is probably greater than it was even under Mrs T
  • Public services are undoubtedly worse, with billions being spent on bureacracy and pen-pushers
  • Social cohesion is actually worse than it was under the Tories

And what else do we have:
  • Political correctness to a point where I can even start to understand where the Daily Mail is coming from
  • Drunkenness in our smaller towns and city centres which is both scary, depressing and rather embarassing when you're out with foreign friends
  • Lack of belief in positive immigration - we're nearly all immigrants on this board, and we're grateful to our host country for what it's done to us. Can we really say that Britain has either got the best from its immigrants or demands the same standards of behaviour as Switzerland
  • Taxes are WAY higher - most foreigners I know who work in London say that they'll get out the first chance they get
  • The debt situation is about a million times worse than it was a decade ago. Since Brown robbed every of their pension entitlements on the quiet a few years ago, he's since cooked the books so that most of the debt sits off balance sheet. But the taxpayers still have to pay it all back
  • They've changed a centuries-old constitution with about 5 minutes thought for the consequences
  • We have CCTV cameras, talk of ID cards, no civil liberties to speak of, and yet crime seems to be everywhere

Dour and depressing is one thing. Downright duplicitious and deceptive is another.

Remember "cool Britannia" and "no return to boom and bust"? It makes me want to throw up
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