U.S. President Barack Obama named 2009 winner of Nobel Peace Prize - Page 8

#**141** 10.10.2009, 15:06

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	... because, as we know, a Democrat president would never start a war...

Point taken. Democrats (the Mommy party) starts the wars, while Republicans (the Daddy party) finishes the war.

#**142** 10.10.2009, 15:09

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	It is not the place of foreign politicians to offer prizes to people representing nations that toe their own particular party line.

I totally agree. This award was an attempt to meddle in American politics. It expressed a wish that the US was some sort of modern liberal European state.

But we're Indians, you see. Americans are American Indians. They just don't get it yet.

Killa Silk · #**143** 10.10.2009, 15:42

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	The U.S. is pushing for funding to build a "gargantuan bunker-busting bomb called the Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP)" in what could be part of the process of accelerating provisions for a possible attack on Iran. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...sh.aspx/172153 This bomb will be full of Love, Bunnies, Sweets and Peace, of course! How could those faces lie http://images.google.de/images?hl=de...-8&sa=N&tab=wi

What is it with all your comments about the US attacking Iran? Do you actually think that the US has the mind set (with all our internal issues, Iraq and Afgan) to "attack" Iran?

Do you actually think that Americans (and the rest of the world) will tolerate a war with Iran? Where have you been in the past year? Part of the reason Obama won was to prevent another war.

Speaking from experience as I've personally been to the last 3 Wars (Kosovo, Afgan and Iraq), many of us Americans do not was another war, and are really sick of the two we are currently in.

So to see you sitting in Germany, (probably wearing Nikes and eating McDonalds) talking about war "Down with the USA" and War with Iran is getting old. Especially when the media is your source of proof.

Go and speak with some of the troops returning from these conflicts to get a real creditable opinion.

Geoff · #**144** 10.10.2009, 15:52

How can the President of a Country at War win a Nobel Peace Prize ???

Sada · #**145** 10.10.2009, 16:11

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	How can the President of a Country at War win a Nobel Peace Prize ???

It just happens. America just can't help surprising the world.

Texaner · #**146** 10.10.2009, 16:41

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	It just happens. America just can't help surprising the world.

I guess that makes the Democrats and Republicans two essentially identical branches of the one Surprise Party.

garrigah · #**147** 10.10.2009, 16:50

He'll be the next president of the UN...when do we have to change the current one?

Mandalynn3 · #**148** 10.10.2009, 17:25

Like hell, he's ended any wars!!!

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	Has he done that? I must have missed the headlines that day...

#**149** 10.10.2009, 17:39

	Quote:	Texaner
	I guess that makes the Democrats and Republicans two essentially identical branches of the one Surprise Party. <running and ducking for cover>

It's not like the Mommy and Daddy parties have filed for a divorce or anything. It's still one big family, isn't it? I think the daily reciting the Pledge of Allegiance has caused it to seep deep into our brains.

The US Pledge of Allegience:
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

E Pluribus Unum

It's by no means perfect, but its good.

#**150** 10.10.2009, 17:40

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	Perhaps the Norwegians weren't paying attention

Maybe the Norwegians were paying too much attention:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leif_Erikson_Day

How ironic that October 9zh, the day the Nobel prize was awarded, is also "Leif Erikson day" in the US, the day Americans choose to honour the Norwegian viking's discovery of America.

Texaner · #**151** 10.10.2009, 17:53

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	...I think the daily reciting the Pledge of Allegiance has caused it to seep deep into our brains...

...Which is why nobody in my household recites that adjunct rubbish — daily or otherwise.

John1975 · #**152** 10.10.2009, 22:40

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	I thought this was an excellent quote from someone on another thread about how hard it is to define a person's politics simply by what party they represent.

I think this is the problem with having what is essentially a 2 party system in the US.

Peg A · #**153** 10.10.2009, 22:47

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	Maybe the Norwegians were paying too much attention: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leif_Erikson_Day How ironic that October 9zh, the day the Nobel prize was awarded, is also "Leif Erikson day" in the US, the day Americans choose to honour the Norwegian viking's discovery of America.

Well, slap my fanny and call me Sally!

Columbus Day I remember "observing" quite often in many of the states where I lived... I do not recall any such holiday for Leif Erikson, certainly not one with the significance you are apparently trying to attribute to it.

#**154** 11.10.2009, 10:18

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	Well, slap my fanny and call me Sally!

Just want to make sure - we're talking US english here, right?

sygirl101 · #**155** 11.10.2009, 10:41

	Quote:	Peg A
	Well, slap my fanny and call me Sally! Columbus Day I remember "observing" quite often in many of the states where I lived... I do not recall any such holiday for Leif Erikson, certainly not one with the significance you are apparently trying to attribute to it.

This was definitely one of the political correctness moments that the last few decades have led to. No one has ever celebrated Columbus day as a real discovery day. For us it was always a nice day because it led to a 3 day weekend, which is worthy of celebration in its own right.

Russkov · #**156** 11.10.2009, 13:15

I love how even liberals in America are criticizing this decision. Sarah Silverman, one of my favorite comics, was on Bill Maher's show on Friday and when asked about the Nobel prize decision and about Obama in general, her answer was brilliant:

"You know, I've never experienced blind faith before. I'm starting to get it. It's fun."

#**157** 11.10.2009, 13:19

Seeing that the Nobel Prize Committee saw themselves as propigating world peace by trying to steer the path of the world, perhaps what they really should have done is award the Nobel Peace Prize to the Nobel Prize Committee.

#**158** 12.10.2009, 06:13

The difference in approach that could make all the difference with regards to world peace, compare October 8th 2009 (two days before the Nobel award)

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	In a meeting with Swiss Ambassador Livia Leu Agosti, whose country represents the U.S. interests section in Iran, Rafsanjani said if President Barack Obama could really deliver on his promise of change there would be positive and meaningful impacts on ties between Iran and the United States.

http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=204903

With 2003

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	Grand Bargain" proposal In 2003, before invading Iraq, the Bush administration reportedly received a fax from the Iranian government, containing overtures to the United States. With the help of the American Iranian Council, Iran purportedly made a secret proposal for a "grand bargain", which would have resolved outstanding issues between the U.S. and Iran, including Iran's support for terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah and its nuclear program.[69] The document came shortly after the 2003 invasion of Iraq and Bush administration officials, including Richard Armitage, thought the Khatami government and the Swiss ambassador in Tehran were "promising more than it could deliver". Others, such as Vali Nasr and Gary Sick consider it a missed opportunity.[69] The fax never received a reply and there continued to be no official relations between the two countries.[70] According to Trita Parsi, author of Treacherous Alliance: The Secret Dealings of Israel, Iran and the United States,[71] Lawrence Wilkerson, former secretary of state Colin Powell's chief of staff, told him "it was Cheney and Rumsfeld who made sure that Washington dismissed Iran's May 2003 offer to open up its nuclear program, rein in Hezbollah and cooperate against al-Qaeda."[72]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_%E...ates_relations

What a pity that Obama wasn't president then.

#**159** 12.10.2009, 06:20

However, in retrospect, I am glad that he is the president nowwhen you consider the alternative:

How does this work?

lesCA · #**160** 12.10.2009, 08:13

...getting the Nobel prize on a credit basis that is pushing it a bit, didn't we want to discourage the whole credit approach in the current financial situation too....

this gives the wrong message in more ways than one, not that he is a bad guy he just hasn't proven himself one way or the other....