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Old 06.12.2009, 18:41
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Ahem, let's keep our manners, everyone. Thank you.
How shall we consider this sentence "I assume that you are a racist of the the most dangerous kind" ?
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Old 06.12.2009, 18:52
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Hoppy-Do you consider Israeli Jews to be superior to other races?

Pashosh- No reply

Hoppy- If you do not reply then I take it that you do in fact believe this whereas I believe all people are equal.

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Hoppy- You won't answer it Pashosh, therefore I assume that you do think that Israeli Jews are superior to all others and that prayer is real. If you do believe it then you are a racist of the the most dangerous kind. You downerbuzz grain at me for stating that we are all equal so I take it that you are of the same mind as Pashosh.

Pashosh- How shall we consider this sentence "I assume that you are a racist of the the most dangerous kind" ?

I don't assume that all Jews are racist, my Jewish friends are just the opposite, I have said that we should all look to the example of Jews supporting Muslims in the minaret ban.
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Old 06.12.2009, 19:01
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Easy folks.

Here, focus on these guys. It may calm this round of volleys.


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Old 06.12.2009, 19:58
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

Hoppy - I don't consider Jews to be superior to anyone.

I do hold people to their promises - you promised not to reply to my posts, yet you did.

You called me a racist of the most dangerous kind - this should be enough to ban anyone (Canadian dude was banned for less).
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Old 06.12.2009, 23:09
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Hoppy - I don't consider Jews to be superior to anyone.

I do hold people to their promises - you promised not to reply to my posts, yet you did.

You called me a racist of the most dangerous kind - this should be enough to ban anyone (Canadian dude was banned for less).
If you don't believe Jews are superior the I apologize. I only said that if you did believe it the you would be a racist of the most dangerous kind, you don't and I am much relieved to hear it.

However the original post that you referred to :

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Pashosh, you are right and score major point I did misread your mind. I took you for someone who could be reasoned with. clearly you are not to be reasoned with, I aplogize for the misjudgement on my part and will not comment on any of your posts in future.



was meant sarcastically- I did misread your mind. I took you for someone who could be reasoned with therefore I would not comment on any of your posts.
However, now, that you have posted that you do not believe Jews to be superior, I realize that here is hope that you can be reasoned with and so I will respond to your posts!
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Old 07.12.2009, 00:30
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

Nobody should feel the need to defend themselves: play nice, kids. Yellow card on this matter, y'all.
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Old 07.12.2009, 21:12
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If you don't believe Jews are superior the I apologize. I only said that if you did believe it the you would be a racist of the most dangerous kind, you don't and I am much relieved to hear it.

However the original post that you referred to :






was meant sarcastically- I did misread your mind. I took you for someone who could be reasoned with therefore I would not comment on any of your posts.
However, now, that you have posted that you do not believe Jews to be superior, I realize that here is hope that you can be reasoned with and so I will respond to your posts!
That's a start...

Know what ? Let's start an NGO - after all, Ramallah is awash with them. We'll call it "the Pashoshopy Irano-Israeli Peace Initiate" - PIIPI. EU donors are lining up already.
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Old 07.12.2009, 21:38
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That's a start...

Know what ? Let's start an NGO - after all, Ramallah is awash with them. We'll call it "the Pashoshopy Irano-Israeli Peace Initiate" - PIIPI. EU donors are lining up already.
Definitely!
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You downerbuzz grain at me for stating that we are all equal so I take it that you are of the same mind as Pashosh.
I was groaning at your poetic efforts with the bell tolling and whatnot, not at the concept of all men being equal.

Pashosh seems to support Israel's right to exist so I most likely am of a similar mind as him.
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Old 08.12.2009, 16:28
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I was groaning at your poetic efforts with the bell tolling and whatnot, not at the concept of all men being equal.

Pashosh seems to support Israel's right to exist so I most likely am of a similar mind as him.
I support the Israels right to exist and also the pal`s right to exist.Israels expansionism I object
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Old 14.12.2009, 22:39
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

I've been wondering about this one for a while:
Iran was an ally of Israel - economically, military, culturaly. Since the Islamic revolution Iran became an enemy of Israel.
As Israel did not change - the reason for the change lies with Iran.

What made Iranians hate Israel ?
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Old 14.12.2009, 23:04
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I've been wondering about this one for a while:
Iran was an ally of Israel - economically, military, culturaly. Since the Islamic revolution Iran became an enemy of Israel.
As Israel did not change - the reason for the change lies with Iran.

What made Iranians hate Israel ?
Maybe it`s the quest for the "Greater Israel"
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Old 14.12.2009, 23:07
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

Read my post:
The 6 day war was in 1967 - Iran was an ally until 1979.
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Old 14.12.2009, 23:19
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What made Iranians hate Israel ?
The close ties between Israel and 'the Great Satan'?

Seeking to build alliances with Shiites in Lebanon?
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Old 14.12.2009, 23:35
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Read my post:
The 6 day war was in 1967 - Iran was an ally until 1979.
No kidding ,Yes in 1979 the wise guy came from Paris to Tehran
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The close ties between Israel and 'the Great Satan'?

Seeking to build alliances with Shiites in Lebanon?
U.S-Israeli relations play a part of course. U.K is a closer ally (with a much more bitty history in Iran) - but no such hate is shown.

Shiites in Lebanon were Israeli allies as well - in 1982 Shiite villagers received israeli forces with rice & flowers. Israel was happy to have Iranian soldiers as part of the UN force to Lebanon (UNIFIL) between 1978-1979.
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No kidding ,Yes in 1979 the wise guy came from Paris to Tehran
And why was Khomeini so anti Israeli ? And why are so many Iranians anti Israeli ?
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Re: Israel - Palestine, when will it end

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f...they started sending Jewish from all over England and Europe, by ships to Palestine, taking away houses and lands and throwing people in the street killing right and left , the conflict developed until what it is now... imagine if it just happened to any if you, imagine anyone come to your house take it away from you and kill your parents, what would you feel, what would you do?
My parents had their houses taken away, their families killed by the Nazis during the war. I understand what you would do, but neither the gypsies nor the jews have ever gone into German supermarkets to blow themselves up.

Unfortunately your own knowledge of history seems a little sketchy. No-one "started sending" jews to Israel. European jews started migrating to the land of their forefathers in the 19th century, coming to a desolate land almost bereft of people (as attested to by Mark Twain in "Innocents Abroad"). According to the careful population figures of the Ottoman Empire, in 1882 the total population of the land between the Jordan and the Sea was less than 250,000 – in an area that today supports ten million people, Israelis and Palestinians. The resettlement of the sparsely populated Holy Land by the descendants of its ancient inhabitants, however, did not take place solely in the modern era. Throughout Jewish history, waves of returnees came back to the sacred soil of their ancestors.

And what about the Arab residents? The majority of thiose living in Mandate Palestine in 1948 had themselves migrated there because of the economic boom wrought by the Jewish migrants. There were no "Palestinians" except the Jews who carried Palestinian passports issued by the British. The Arabs refused to hold Palestinian passports because they considered themselves to be Arabs, not Palestians.

The Palestinians as they now call themselves do not seem to have any interest in peace; the Gaza government says openly that it now controls Gaza - and the next step is to control the whole of Israel.
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Old 14.12.2009, 23:58
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Read my post:
The 6 day war was in 1967 - Iran was an ally until 1979.
they were after 1979 as well but it was kept secret. I have reservations when it comes to Trita Parsi and the NAIC but he explains it all quite well in his book.

Basically the Iranians are not Arab, so Israel, Arabs and Iranians each play each other off, Turkey is in a similar situation to Iran.

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Treacherous Alliances In 2007, Yale University Press published Treacherous Alliances: The Secret Dealings of Israel, Iran, and the United States. Parsi's work is an expansion of his 2006 Ph.D. dissertation written at John Hopkins University under the supervision of his Ph.D. adviser Francis Fukuyama.[4] The book "takes a closer look at the complicated triangular relations between Israel, Iran, and the United States that continue to shape the future of the Middle East."[5] The book received many positive reviews. In Foreign Affairs, L. Carl Brown called the it a "well-constructed history" and former U.S. ambassador Peter Galbraith praised the book as "a wonderfully informative account." Political scientist John Mearsheimer and former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski also commended the book.[4] In 2008, Treacherous Alliances' was awarded the silver medal (runner-up) in the Council on Foreign Relations' Arthur Ross Book Award.[5] Parsi's work has also faced some criticism, including from Nathan Thrall in Commentary Magazine[4] and American Enterprise Institute scholar Michael Rubin in a review in Middle East Quarterly.[6] Thrall faults Parsi's realist analysis for ignoring Iran's "most ideologically driven actions.
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And why was Khomeini so anti Zionist ? And why are so many Iranians anti Zionist ?
Fixed that for you
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