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Old 15.12.2009, 23:44
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Last man prosecuted was in the 80s - Johm Demjanjuk. he was acquitted in Israel. now on trial in Germany.

Considering that the Victims are Israeli citizens - there is case for prosecuting in Israel.

In any case - a few trials of Nazis are Hardly "often", as Gastro Gnome claimed.
Absolute Wrong ! He was convicted and sentence to dead , but the Israeli hight court ordered him realest.But nice try

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2. How can a foreign minister commit war crimes ?
And another thing . . .

von Ribbentrop was executed for his actions as a Foreign Minister.
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Last man prosecuted was in the 80s - Johm Demjanjuk. he was acquitted in Israel. now on trial in Germany.

Considering that the Victims are Israeli citizens - there is case for prosecuting in Israel.

In any case - a few trials of Nazis are Hardly "often", as Gastro Gnome claimed.
I thought Israel only came into being in 1947... How can any victim be an Israeli citizen ? Granted they were Jewish, but that doesn't make them Israeli ?
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Old 16.12.2009, 01:14
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Germany is after another one Linked to John Demjanjuk

AP 7 hours ago.

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Kurt Schrimm, who heads the special German prosecutors' office responsible for investigating Nazi-era crimes, said his researchers are trying to determine whether the Alex Nagorny slated to testify is the same Nagorny implicated by witnesses in killing people in Treblinka.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...WpghAD9CJRGAG0
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Hello and welcome to the Forum.

Were you supporting Hamas in a peaceful way? Only, a lot of the world rightly describes them as a terrorist organisation. The moderate Arab / Palestinian voice is so rarely heard, and perhaps it's in the interests of both ruling authorities that extremism is amplified.

I doubt you'd find anyone on here who does not share your desire for equal Palestinian rights. It would be great if leadership could be shown from Hamas, alas it hasn't happened yet.

I hope you get to return home one day soon.


hallo thank you very much and sorry as allways because i comeback here to reply and see what's up late .. but my situation not at all alwyas ..


i just wanted to say that i'm palestinian and i'm not hamas , hamas is a part of palestinian and there is alot of others partys ..... what i mean here is that i belong to another political part in palestine is "Fateh" but at all i'm palestinain first ... and we want peace , and we want our right .. and if we didn't takin it by peace so we need to take another option and that is our right also then ..
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Old 16.12.2009, 13:17
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

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I mean immediate in the sense that you might now wish to retract some things you wrote, e.g. '**** off friendly government', 'the British Government should issue an apology' etc etc It's fine to say the law is an ass, it's not fine to rant at those who aren't responsible for the problem.

The words to describe Israel's actions may have been in a warrant issued by a British court, but those are simply the allegations that the Palestinians who started the action put forward.
I didn't criticize the British government (in this case), but the British law system.
The British government has already (practicaly) apologized for the mess created and may even revise the law: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...arrest-warrant

We still don't which "war crimes" the court was talking about - The Judge that made that decision has some explaining to do, maybe he thought he is operating under Sharia law.
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I didn't criticize the British government (in this case), but the British law system.
The British government has already (practicaly) apologized for the mess created and may even revise the law: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...arrest-warrant

We still don't which "war crimes" the court was talking about - The Judge that made that decision has some explaining to do, maybe he thought he is operating under Sharia law.
The judge was following the law as it stands, hence the government has proposed looking at a change to the law, not taking action against the judge.

My apologies: In your original post in amongst the "****"s etc it was quite hard to see that you weren't criticising the British Government.

As for whether an English court should worry about offending a friendly foreign government . . . not really, that's what having an independent judiciary is all about.
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Old 16.12.2009, 14:11
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For a lawyer she was very quiet during her arrest -

The secret life of Tzipi Livni

[QUOTEHow the woman set to be Israel’s new leader earned her spurs as an agent working for a covert cell in an elite spy unit

]One French report cited experts suggesting that Ms Livni was part of an elite unit that fatally poisoned the Iraqi nuclear scientist Abdul Rasul at a lunch in Paris in 1983. “The risks were tangible,” Ms Gal was to say of those days in Mossad. “If I made a mistake the result would be arrest and catastrophic political implications for Israel.” [/QUOTE]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4791158.ece
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Old 16.12.2009, 14:46
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Netanyahu is probably laughing- saying 'See Livni you should have done the same as Ehud Barak and joined our right-wing government - (a move Livni and Kadima refused to do)- then you would have immunity- at least temporarily.'

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Livni wanted to meet British PM Gordon Brown. He declined. The rationale behind Livni's desire to meet Brown, speculate some, was that if her trip was in an official capacity, she would have been granted diplomatic immunity.

When Brown declined to meet with the Kadima opposition chairwoman, the trip was reduced to a private one - leaving her susceptible to an arrest...........

But there could be a more interesting irony in all of this.

Israeli media have been carrying reactions from various politicians. One official put it this way: "British officials could find themselves in a similar situation due to airstrikes by British crews on population centres in Serbia, Iraq and Afghanistan"

Interesting? I wonder if the UK is more concerned with appeasing Israel or afraid of its own laundry being aired publicly if its officials start facing arrest warrants abroad.
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-ea...2/15/true-lies
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

Just for those who might not have been following up closely, among the allegations against the Israeli army during Gaza war are:

• Attempting to bulldoze houses with civilians inside;
• Killing civilians trying to escape under the protection of white flags;
• Opening fire on an ambulance attempting to reach the wounded;
• Using indiscriminate force in a civilian area and firing white phosphorus shells.


The use of white phosphorus was confirmed by Amnesty International



http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-u...iable-20090119


The UN issued the "Goldestone report" which also confirmed that Israel used white phosphorus and committed crimes against humanity.

Israel should have acted bravely and appealed against the warrant, if they were sure of their innocence , not asking for revoking it.

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Israel should have acted bravely and appealed against the verdict, if they were sure of their innocence , not asking for revoking it.
Sorry, which verdict?
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Sorry, which verdict?
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Israel should have acted bravely and appealed against the warrant, if they were sure of their innocence , not asking for revoking it.
What would have been the point of that if Goldstone himself admitted that the report would have never held up in a court of law.

Here's something to chew on:

http://www.goldstonereport.org/
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Just for those who might not have been following up closely, among the allegations against the Israeli army during Gaza war
I would not call what happened in Gaza a "War".... in the same way that a fox entering a chicken coop is not committing an act of war.
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I would not call what happened in Gaza a "War".... in the same way that a fox entering a chicken coop is not committing an act of war.

What if the chickens have been firing missiles at the fox for 8 years?
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What would have been the point of that if Goldstone himself admitted that the report would have never held up in a court of law.

Here's something to chew on:

http://www.goldstonereport.org/
The About Us page on that site shows that it's completely one-sided.
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The About Us page on that site shows that it's completely one-sided.

and the U.N. isn't?
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Old 16.12.2009, 17:08
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and the U.N. isn't?
The UN has 192 member states (including Israel). Its aims, by charter included maintenance of international peace and security and the development of friendly relations between nations. Its actions in the past included the creation of Israel.

And you're comparing this organisation to a group of Israel lobby bloggers?

And alleging equivalent bias?

The answer to your question is 'no'.
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And you're comparing this organisation to a group of Israel lobby bloggers?

And alleging equivalent bias?

The answer to your question is 'no'.

Did I say that? If you're asking if I think the U.N. has an anti-Israel bias, my answer is yes.
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What would have been the point of that if Goldstone himself admitted that the report would have never held up in a court of law.

Here's something to chew on:

http://www.goldstonereport.org/
When Ifirst read this report I could not believe it I thought this is from the UN?

So this is who it is from:



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This site has been established by a group of bloggers who have followed the news stories and NGO reports from Israel’s Operation Cast Lead, and the history of the Goldstone Commission. We have come together to offer a site that will put together the most cogent, empirically based, and logically argued critique of the Goldstone Commission.
So who is the group of bloggers? the most credible of the bunch is an associate professor- who by all appearances is a Christian Zionist.
The rest are bloggers just like any of us on this site

As Goldstone reports Israel should be brought to the international court.



Will they though? It seems like Israel is threatening to reveal mistakes committed during the Yugoslavian war if they are brought to justice.
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