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It's all just such a load of hogwash (or...beefwash?) The UN designated "Palestinian State", the territory occupied by Palestinian people pre-1948 is emphatically not now Israel. Jordan and Egypt occupy 23% of what the UN hoped would besplit equally between the Palestinian Arab State and Israel, with Israel having expanded through the other 27% during the 1948 war. Most Palestinians come from, and still live in Jordan. It is absolutely as much or more of a natural Palestinian homeland as Israel is, however it has an absolute monarchy which favours "real Jordanians" (Bedouin) over Palestinians. It's surely true that Israel has taken over and annexed more land than it should have, including too much of Jersusalem, but this is primarily due to the mistakes of it's neighbours who, throughout recent history believed they could push it into the sea, and ended up losing land in the ensuing war.
If you go far enough back in history the same was true of the Jews. They rose up against the Romans and got booted. Yet they are back.
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Re: Israel - Palestine, when will it end

What I find interesting is that there are hundreds of human watch groups within Israel-- all of which are monitoring Israeli military crimes and publishing them worldwide. However, I never hear of any groups that publishe offenses within the Palestinian territories, are there any? Also, what about all the Palestinians in awful conditions around the HUGE Arab world, why don`t we hear huge outcries about their actions? It seems like a very clever tactic by the Arab dictatorships-- keep the attention regarding the plight of the Palestinians on Israel and not on what is happening with Palestinian refuges in Arab countries. One can`t forget that Israel is about 1/3 to 1/4 of the size of Switzerland (depending on the what one includes as Israel) and that this is the only country in the world in which Jewdaism is the main religion.
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

As an observer it is very difficult to get a permit to enter Gaza.

First step is to solve the problem for Palestenians in their home country so that refugees can return.
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i'm here in switzerland because the israilian band me out ,, why ? just because i was in my univercity support palestinian right in peace way...
Hello and welcome to the Forum.

Were you supporting Hamas in a peaceful way? Only, a lot of the world rightly describes them as a terrorist organisation. The moderate Arab / Palestinian voice is so rarely heard, and perhaps it's in the interests of both ruling authorities that extremism is amplified.

I doubt you'd find anyone on here who does not share your desire for equal Palestinian rights. It would be great if leadership could be shown from Hamas, alas it hasn't happened yet.

I hope you get to return home one day soon.
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

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Israeli professor Dr. Mordechai Kedar on Al-Jazeera defending
Israel's position on Jerusalem & Islam.
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Israeli professor Dr. Mordechai Kedar on Al-Jazeera defending Israel's position on Jerusalem & Islam.
To be honest I don't see the relevence of this???
He's just another Israeli who agrees with Israel's stance, the fact that he teaches Arabic (I pity his students with an accent like that ) is neither here nor there.
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Do we have to watch Al Jazeera?
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Do we have to watch Al Jazeera?
Its one of the only Arab News networks with offices in Israel, but I'm not defending it since its funded by the Emir of Qatar and thus heavily biased in his favour.
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Gawd! This is like having Ahmadinejad teach Israeli studies.
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Do we have to watch Al Jazeera?
Al Jazeera rocks my socks. It's incredibly biased, but then that's a given for all news channels. The quality is very high though.
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To be honest I don't see the relevence of this???
He's just another Israeli who agrees with Israel's stance, the fact that he teaches Arabic (I pity his students with an accent like that ) is neither here nor there.
It's an accurate description of the history of Jerusalem.
Can you provide examples where he is wrong ?

btw - what's wrong with his accent ?

Al Jazeera - About as respectable as anyone who celebrates a child murderer's birthday (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009172.html).
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It's an accurate description of the history of Jerusalem.
Can you provide examples where he is wrong ?

btw - what's wrong with his accent ?

Al Jazeera - About as respectable as anyone who celebrates a child murderer's birthday (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009172.html).
You had to go back one year for a piece for a piece criticizing Al Jazeera? 1 The word child murderer evokes strong emotions, but what constitutes a child murderer, how many children have died and are dying in Gaza? 2. Quoting from Haaretz a Jewish publication may be slightly biased. 3. At least Al Jazeera follow a code of ethics in publishing. 4 They admit it when they behave unethically.
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Al Jazeera - About as respectable as anyone who celebrates a child murderer's birthday (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009172.html).
I agree there is something not quite right about the channel, which is probably why its one of the least trusted News sources in the Middle East. It lost its crown to Dubai based Al Arabiya some time back. There were actually reports in the Egyptian press about the Israeli billionaire Haim Saban trying to buy a 50% stake in Al Jazeera from his friend, the emir of Qatar via an Egyptian intermediary. As I said, its not what it used to be
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I agree there is something not quite right about the channel, which is probably why its one of the least trusted News sources in the Middle East. It lost its crown to Dubai based Al Arabiya some time back. There were actually reports in the Egyptian press about the Israeli billionaire Haim Saban trying to buy a 50% stake in Al Jazeera from his friend, the emir of Qatar via an Egyptian intermediary. As I said, its not what it used to be
Are there any internationally read liberal Arabic newspapers? At least Haaretz makes some attempt towards liberalism which is difficult in these days of Rupert Murdoch.
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Are there any internationally read liberal Arabic newspapers? At least Haaretz makes some attempt towards liberalism which is difficult in these days of Rupert Murdoch.
I don't really know hoppy, Al-Hayat perhaps?
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Are there any internationally read liberal Arabic newspapers? At least Haaretz makes some attempt towards liberalism which is difficult in these days of Rupert Murdoch.
I always used to read Al Watan (translation: The Nation/Motherland) - seems to make it everywhere in London and Cairo so I'd say its distribution was up there although I have no figures.
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2-Economisto

"Most Palestinians come from, and still live in Jordan"- Only after they moved from mandate Palestine (whether by force or fear)?

This isn't the Jordan is Palestine argument many Israelis and their supporters favour.
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You had to go back one year for a piece for a piece criticizing Al Jazeera? 1 The word child murderer evokes strong emotions, but what constitutes a child murderer, how many children have died and are dying in Gaza? 2. Quoting from Haaretz a Jewish publication may be slightly biased. 3. At least Al Jazeera follow a code of ethics in publishing. 4 They admit it when they behave unethically.
Samir Kuntar bashed a 4 year old's head against beach rocks, and smashed her skull with his rifle butt. Does it take an ethic expert to understand that holding a party in honor of this man is wrong ?

Nobody was fired for this - so much for ethical behavior.
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Can we keep it clean, or better still ban certain members who insist on jumping from thread to thread stirring up sh*t.
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

Let this stand as a warning. Offensive posts will be deleted. Repeat offenders will be banned without warning.

Don't let this thread turn into a circular mess as many others have recently, or it too will be closed.
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