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Old 14.02.2010, 16:33
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You might want to look up the facts on that summit before you make statements like that.Rather than going through each point you got wrong I'll just give you the wiki link:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Ca...mmit#Territory

While I agree that antisemitism is a rather inane term the dictionary still defines it as such:


discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward Jews.
I love Jews, truly, I just don't like Zionism as it is now i.e. the Likud party. they are even racist against their own people.
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We were discussing the word anti-semitism in the english language which if I understand correctly is a european language.

You might see it as rubbish but considering the Arabs/ Palestinians already have the larger share of territory in that region despite having lost several wars of aggression on their part.One would assume they would be grateful for what they were offered.You didn't see germany being able to say much about Alsace after they lost the war, did you?
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We were discussing the word anti-semitism in the english language which if I understand correctly is a european language.

You might see it as rubbish but considering the Arabs/ Palestinians already have the larger share of territory in that region despite having lost several wars of aggression on their part.One would assume they would be grateful for what they were offered.You didn't see germany being able to say much about Alsace after they lost the war, did you?
a European language ??? And British people talking about "calls from overseas" when getting phone calls from Brussels and Zurich ??

we are discussing the word anti-semitism in English as well as other languages and then the word is based on when the word got started in the 19th Century and the second half of the 20th Century

A) Palestinians do NOT have the larger share of territory. And Palestine consists of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Territory

B) "Wars of aggression" ? The 1948 war was in defence against an unjust Western recipe for Palestine. The 1956 war was a war launched by Britain and France and Israel to conquer territories of Egypt including the Suez Canal. The 1967 War was launched by Israel. And the Ramadan War was launched by Egypt in order to get back the Sinai Peninsula and in order to re-open the Suez Canal.

"Grateful" for an offer looking like the Indian reservations in the USA ? And to equal the Arab World with Nazi Germany anyway is not acceptable. If you want to invoke such ideas, Israel had to be established in Bavaria !
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

a European language ??? And British people talking about "calls from overseas" when getting phone calls from Brussels and Zurich ??

and your point is?

we are discussing the word anti-semitism in English as well as other languages and then the word is based on when the word got started in the 19th Century and the second half of the 20th Century

My only argument was the usage of this word in modern day english. I agreed from the start that it was an inane term.


A) Palestinians do NOT have the larger share of territory. And Palestine consists of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Territory

Look at the former mandate of Palestine and tell me who has the lion's share now.

B) "Wars of aggression" ? The 1948 war was in defence against an unjust Western recipe for Palestine.

(unjust for you seems to be any "recipe" in which Israel is entitled to a country)

The 1956 war was a war launched by Britain and France and Israel to conquer territories of Egypt including the Suez Canal.

(don't have much of an argument against that)

The 1967 War was launched by Israel.(

after Egypt amassed troops on their border to attack as well as blockading them which every child knows is an act of war)

And the Ramadan War was launched by Egypt in order to get back the Sinai Peninsula and in order to re-open the Suez Canal.

(Hey the germans only wanted their parts of Poland and Czechoslovakia back)

"Grateful" for an offer looking like the Indian reservations in the USA ? And to equal the Arab World with Nazi Germany anyway is not acceptable. If you want to invoke such ideas, Israel had to be established in Bavaria !

( I don't remember the Native Americans getting about 70 % of the land mass there but I could be wrong. What connection do jew have with Bavaria? Was there a constant jewish presence there for over 2000 years?
I fail to see any logic in that statement)
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Anti-Semitism is a term out of the 19th century and the early and middle part of the 20th century, when the only Semites in Europe were the Jews. The term however is complete rubbish if used in regard to the conflict between the Semitic/Germanic Jews the the Semitic Arabs. The correct terms are "anti-Judaism" and "anti-Israelism" , and this is not semantics but simply common sense
Regardless of the inaccurate origination of the word, anti-semitism, as currently used, generally refers to anti-Jewish ideas, attitudes and activities.

You can't get at the meaning of a word by picking it apart logically.

On the other hand I do take your point about it looking a bit odd in reference to regional conflict.
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1149888.html

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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1149888.html

Downerpuzz ;If this makes me a anti-Semite ,then I am a very very proud anti Semite
did I ever call anyone here an anti-Semite? Please don't assume I'm one who doesn't tolerate any criticisms of Israel. I'll be the first to admit that Israel's list of wrongdoings is extremely long and work must be done to set that right.
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

Oh hi,

Just popped in to see this thread steaming ahead as could be expected. It doesn't require a Mod to have to read it, though, does it? I mean, we can all trust one another to get on dandy in here, can't we?

Ok, thanks,

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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

'11 Europeans' wanted in Dubai


Mr Mabhouh was electrocuted and then strangled, reports said

Police in Dubai are to issue arrest warrants for 11 "agents with European passports" suspected of assassinating a top Hamas official last month.
Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was murdered in his hotel room in Dubai on 20 January.
Hamas, the Palestinian Islamist movement, said he was in Dubai to buy weapons for the organisation and accused Israeli agents of killing him.
Dubai's police chief did not identify the suspects further except to say that one of the 11 is a woman.
But they were a professional hit-squad, most likely sponsored by a foreign power, Dubai's police chief said.
"We do not rule out the involvement of Mossad (the Israeli secret service), but when we arrest those suspects we will know who masterminded it," Lt Col Dhafi Khalfan Tamim said.
He revealed that the suspects were using six British passports, three Irish, one French and one German passport, he said.
"We have no doubts that it was 11 people holding these passports, and we regret that they used the travel documents of friendly countries," Lt Col Tamim said.

Lt Col Tamim said the identities had been passed on to Interpol, as part of an official request for international arrest warrants to be issued.
Mr Mabhouh was electrocuted and suffocated, according to reports last month.
Lt Col Tamim said the suspects had followed Mr Mabhouh into Dubai from Syria, where he lived since 1989, before fanning out to stay at different hotels to avoid detection.

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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

...and if the Dubai police get around to arresting anyone other than those two Palestinians mentioned in the source, I'm Mick Hucknell...
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...and if the Dubai police get around to arresting anyone other than those two Palestinians mentioned in the source, I'm Mick Hucknell...
Have I missed something chief?
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Have I missed something chief?
Which way does the donkey kick? Enough people have been arrested to satisfy the media, the 'alleged' have spirited away and Mossad have not been ruled out (neither has Mick Hucknell); job done in everyone's eyes. Is anyone going to miss this thug?
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Oh hi,

Just popped in to see this thread steaming ahead as could be expected. It doesn't require a Mod to have to read it, though, does it? I mean, we can all trust one another to get on dandy in here, can't we?

Ok, thanks,

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Of course Uncle max I only showed article from Haaretz.This should please you!Or are you looking for some reasons to close the thread ?
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Old 15.02.2010, 23:03
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Of course Uncle max I only showed article from Haaretz.This should please you!Or are you looking for some reasons to close the thread ?
Oh nothing personal. Rather I re-entered this thread to see people accusing and counter-blah and wondered if I'd have to go back and read the whole lot. Which was hours ago and now if nobody minds... time for some soothing music and a foot massage...
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Change your options, then you only have 12 pages to skip. Simples.

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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

This seems to be the place to put this.

Irish and British Passports were Fake


Quick question? How the hell did these folks get into Dubai on obviously fake passports? Isn't all that stuff available to immigrations officials?
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Its rather curious that in over 50 years of extrajudicial killings on foreign soil Mossad have never used an American passport and yet here they've (allegedly) used forged passports from some of their closest European allies. With friends like Israel, who needs enemies
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How do you know it's Mossad? It could have been Simply Red. Or?

Loved the video on the news channels: they all come out of the elevator wearing baseball hats! <whistling down the corridor> "Don't taze me, Bro!"
It's likely the Dubai authorities are not that fussed; they're just a bit embarrassed it's occured under their noses. Now they're obliged to make a song and dance about it for the domestic and neighbouring markets. Lolz at transit security, though...
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How do you know it's Mossad? It could have been Simply Red. Or?
Mossad has form, and besides the Emirates police aren't sophisticated enough to concoct a charade of this magnitude (11 Europeans, passports etc..). The only other possible culprits may be Fateh, but again 'see above'.
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Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt have democratically elected parliaments, Lebanon and Egypt democratically elected heads of state.
So Egypt (same presidnet for 28 years, son likely to succeed father), Lebanon (not a soverign country) & Jordan (A monarchy) are democracies ?


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Beside this, most peace treaties on earth in reality were concluded between dictators.
These "peaces" last until the dictators have second thoughts, any LASTING peace is only between democracies.

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Dr Bashar al Assad for instance is clearly a more reliable partner than Mr Netanyahu !
Yes, Baby Doc is a reliable partner in a universe where Egypt is a democracy. His father was the only Syrian leader to die in his bed in the last 50 years. Not so sure the son will manage it as well.
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