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Old 15.05.2010, 22:43
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yes 4months for killing a palestinian girl...and you are convinced
Are you actually reading what I am writing and do you actually understand English?

Perhaps you need to get a dictionary and look up the word 'never'?
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Are you actually reading what I am writing and do you actually understand English?

Perhaps you need to get a dictionary and look up the word 'never'?
the problem is you did not bother to read the article you posted. The guy was convicted to 4 months because he did not respect the terms of his house arrest. I mentioned settler who committed abuses on palestinians in occupied territory.
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Please read what I said "Prove to me that Netanyahu supported Hamas".

Where in the this document is netanyahu shown to support Hamas ?

p.s - tacit support is what you do for Palestinian terrorists now.
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Old 15.05.2010, 22:48
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yes 4months for killing a palestinian girl...and you are convinced
No: it was 4 months for "He was charged with participating in the riots, assaulting a police officer and carrying a weapon. " read the article.

and pay up. One of the things Pa'amonim teaches you is how to read the small print & respect your commitments. I don't know if they have a Swiss branch though...
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the problem is you did not bother to read the article you posted. The guy was convicted to 4 months because he did not respect the terms of his house arrest. I mentioned settler who committed abuses on palestinians in occupied territory.
The house arrest was related to involvement in riots in the occupied terroritories, so I assumed this would be relevant enough.

If you go to Haaretz and search for settler convictions there are plenty of articles.

Of course, there aren't enough convictions and even Haaretz noted that in a 2008 tutorial.
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I think your arrogance is only equaled by your ignorance.
Fair comment.

But the rest of us know that your ignorance is surpassed only by your ignorance.
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and pay up.
In your dreams! Not a chance they will.
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Soul food made the claim that Israel is stopping the Palestinians from fighting terror - you, soul food and the others can not provide examples to prove it, so you go on a tangent and quote a convicted fraud and an Anti semite.
I thought I did provide an example. The destruction of infrastructure.

We've made sure that Palestine resembles anything but a country. The only sane people left in Gaza and the WB haven't got a chance in hell when it comes to policing the land and killing terrorists.

Now we've got a situation where the terrorists can flourish under the watchful eye of the various third parties ie Iran, Syria.

It doesn't take much to realize that this is all too convenient for the people in Israel who believe that Palestine, among other places, belongs to the chosen people and that we can expel whomever is on that land.

It doesn't require any copy and pasting. Any citations from websites. It's just a fact that in destroying the Palestinian infrastructure they haven't got any chance in policing their land or ever becoming a state.
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Old 16.05.2010, 10:39
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

"The only sane people left in Gaza and the WB haven't got a chance in hell when it comes to policing the land and killing terrorists"


1. Terrorism in the WB is very much under control. The Dayton force, the co-opretaration with the IDF, and battle fatigue are instrumental.
2. Infrustructure in the WB (and even in Gaza, after the war) is still vastly superior to infrastructure in other third world countries, including most Arab countries.
3. No major "expeling" was done since 1967 in the WB & Gaza.
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Old 16.05.2010, 16:01
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Where's Hoppy?!??!? How can we have an intelligent discussion without Hoppypedia
cutting'n'pasting a whole stack of tangential garbage that she hasn't bothered (Ok,
I'm being kind here) to read!?!?!
See you missed me!

Maybe I shoudln't write this, but about one year ago I met and discussed the situation with an Arab-Israeli human rights lawyer. He told me that nothing would major would happen until Obama was in his second term in office. Which kind of stumped me, but looking back on the article that I posted earlier it may well be true. So, I thought, what do people do till then- sit and wait? I took an instant dislike to him because his advice so incensed me, but I suppose it was true.

So sometimes I read and sometimes I get the opportunity to talk to people, shame is that I lack the necessary intelligence to make use of it, However I think that Mr Vertigo seems to be very well informed, all of you will have a problem producing a convincing counterargument. One thing we forget on this forum is to try to analyze the facts, we get too caught up in our own egos and scoring groans, thanks or blobbies from our buddies.


Oh I heard something else that made sense- someone who had come back from Afghanistan, who said that the most effective counter terrorism measure actually came from the Mulsim population itself in the way that they self-monitor their own population and stop many acts from being comitted. That to ostracize the Muslim population as a whole could be very counterproductive. I think that this is a highly salient point and one that Dayton should not forget when trying to sideline Hamas. Hamas was democratically elected.
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Old 16.05.2010, 23:15
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Noam Chomsky denied entry into Israel and West Bank

I don't like the ideas of this fella and his ponderous, lamenting, victimized tone. But you have to admit he is smart, popular, makes good money and at the end, in the free world, he has the right to voice any opinion.

Israel move here is just stupid. It's just making this guy more popular, more victim and is providing him and his followers the means to feel as righteous and as David against Goliat as ever.
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Old 16.05.2010, 23:18
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Re: Noam Chomsky denied entry into Israel and West Bank

Based on what was published so far - I have to agree with Flavio.

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Old 16.05.2010, 23:38
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Please read what I said "Prove to me that Netanyahu supported Hamas".

Where in the this document is netanyahu shown to support Hamas ?

p.s - tacit support is what you do for Palestinian terrorists now.
How to prove behind the scenes goings on ?! In other words, simply prove that he did not. Fact is that Hamas served the interests of Israel since its rise in the early 1990ies. And while it looked useful for Israel to have "the useful idiot" they increasingly looked like the Zauberlehrling of Freiherr von Goethe :

Der Zauberlehrling The Sorcerer's Apprentice Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Translation by Brigitte Dubiel Hat der alte Hexenmeister Good! The sorcerer, my old master sich doch einmal wegbegeben! left me here alone today! Und nun sollen seine Geister Now his spirits, for a change, auch nach meinem Willen leben! my own wishes shall obey! Seine Wort' und Werke Having memorized merkt' ich, und den Brauch, what to say and do, und mit Geistesstärke with my powers of will I can tu ich Wunder auch. do some witching, too! Walle, walle, Go, I say, manche Strecke, Go on your way, dass zum Zwecke do not tarry, Wasser fliesse, water carry, und mit reichem, vollem Schwalle let it flow abundantly, zu dem Bade sich ergiesse! and prepare a bath for me! Und nun komm, du alter Besen! Come on now, old broom, get dressed, Nimm die schlechten Lumpenhüllen these old rags will do just fine! Bist schon lange Knecht gewesen: You're a slave in any case, nun erfülle meinen Willen! and today you will be mine! Auf zwei Beinen stehe, May you have two legs, oben sei der Kopf, and a head on top, eile nun, und gehe take the bucket, quick mit dem Wassertopf! hurry, do not stop! Walle, walle, Go, I say, manche Strecke, Go on your way, dass zum Zwecke do not tarry, Wasser fliesse, water carry, und mit reichem, vollem Schwalle let it flow abundantly, zu dem Bade sich ergiesse. and prepare a bath for me. Seht, er läuft zum Ufer nieder! Look, how to the bank he's running! Wahrlich! ist schon an dem Flusse, and now he has reached the river, und mit Blitzesschnelle wieder he returns, as quick as lightning, ist er hier mit raschem Gusse. once more water to deliver. Schon zum zweiten Male! Look! The tub already Wie das Becken schwillt! is almost filled up! Wie sich jede Schale And now he is filling voll mit Wasser füllt! every bowl and cup! Stehe! Stehe! Stop! Stand still! Denn wir haben Heed my will! deiner Gaben I've enough Vollgemessen! of the stuff! Ach, ich merk' es! Wehe! Wehe! I've forgotten - woe is me! Hab' ich doch das Wort vergessen! what the magic word may be. Ach, das Wort, worauf am Ende Oh, the word to change him back er das wird, was er gewesen! into what he was before! Ach, er läuft und bringt behende! Oh, he runs, and keeps on going! Wärst du doch der alte Besen! Wish you'd be a broom once more! Immer neue Güsse He keeps bringing water bringt er schnell herein, quickly as can be, Ach, und hundert Flüsse and a hundred rivers stürzen auf mich ein! he pours down on me! Nein, nicht länger No, no longer kann ich's lassen, can I let him, will ihn fassen, I must get him das ist Tücke! with some trick! Ach, nun wird mir immer bänger! I'm beginning to feel sick. Welche Miene! Welche Blicke! What a look! - and what a face! O, du Ausgeburt der Hölle! O, you ugly child of Hades! Soll das ganze Haus ersaufen? The entire house will drown! Seh' ich über jede Schwelle Everywhere I look, I see doch schon Wasserströme laufen. water, water, running down. Ein verruchter Besen! Be you damned, old broom, der nicht hören will! why won't you obey? Stock, der du gewesen, Be a stick once more, steh doch wieder still! please, I beg you, stay! Willst's am Ende Is the end gar nicht lassen? not in sight? Will dich fassen, I will grab you, will dich halten, hold you tight, und das alte Holz behende with my axe I'll split the brittle mit dem scharfen Beile spalten. old wood smartly down the middle. Seht, da kommt er schleppend wieder! Here he comes again with water! Wie ich mich nur auf dich werfe, Now I'll throw myself upon you, gleich, o Kobold, liegst du nieder! and the sharpness of my axe Krachend trifft die glatte Schärfe. I will test, o spirit, on you. Wahrlich, brav getroffen! Well, a perfect hit! Seht, er ist entzwei! See how he is split! Und nun kann ich hoffen, Now there's hope for me, und ich atme frei! and I can breathe free! Wehe! Wehe! Woe is me! Both pieces Beide Teile come to life anew, steh'n in Eile now, to do my bidding schon als Knechte I have servants two! völlig fertig in die Höhe! Help me, o great powers! Helft mir, ach ihr hohen Mächte! Please, I'm begging you! Und sie laufen! Nass und nässer And they're running! Wet and wetter wird's im Saal und auf den Stufen, get the stairs, the rooms, the hall! Welch entsetzliches Gewässer! What a deluge! What a flood! Herr und Meister, hör' mich rufen! Lord and master, hear my call! Ach, da kommt der Meister! Ah, here comes the master! Herr, die Not ist groß! I have need of Thee! Die ich rief, die Geister, from the spirits that I called werd' ich nun nicht los. Sir, deliver me! „In die Ecke “Back now, broom, Besen, Besen! into the closet! Seids gewesen, Be thou as thou denn als Geister wert before! ruft euch nur zu seinem Zwecke Until I, the real master erst hervor der alte Meister!” call thee forth to serve once more!”
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Old 16.05.2010, 23:44
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

... so you can't prove it either.

only you said it in much, much longer post.
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I don't like the ideas of this fella and his ponderous, lamenting, victimized tone. But you have to admit he is smart, popular, makes good money and at the end, in the free world, he has the right to voice any opinion.

Israel move here is just stupid. It's just making this guy more popular, more victim and is providing him and his followers the means to feel as righteous and as David against Goliat as ever.
I never knew that you thougth this way about Netanyahu and Pashosh agrees? Interesting!
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

Actually it was about Noam Chomsky being denied entry into Israel and West Bank ( post nr. 851 )

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"It's good that Israel did not allow one of its accusers to enter its territory," said Schneller. "I recommend [Chomsky] try one of the tunnels connecting Gaza and Egypt."
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Old 17.05.2010, 00:01
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Actually it was about Noam Chomsky being denied entry into Israel and West Bank ( post nr. 851 )

Noam Chomsky is a very dangerous man!
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Old 17.05.2010, 00:08
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Well Daily Kos seem convinced!

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Rather, the purpose of this diary is to point out that Hamas received crucial support from Israel in the 1970s and 80s as part of Israel's efforts to weaken the secular PLO. Following "the worse the better" theory, Israel sought to make any potential leader of a Palestinian state illegitmate to the west as part of its effort build a "Greater Israel." Call it blowback, or Frankenstein's monster, but Israel is now reaping what it sowed. All that is left is hypocrisy and a whitewash of history.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1...150/512/677821
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Actually it was about Noam Chomsky being denied entry into Israel and West Bank ( post nr. 851 )

I am glad that he isn't going. He is 82 years old, he is an irreplaceable genius Jew, I would prefer he stay at home and write the books I need to read rather than risk a 'Mossad incident' or becomes cheap target practice for settlers

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Dumar al-Zaben, a cousin of the dead child, said villagers had heard gunshots and went searching for the boy when he did not come home that night. "We searched for him with flashlights," Zaben told the Israeli news website Ynet. "We knew that he had been working on his family's agricultural field, and we found him there under an olive tree – lying on his stomach, with a bullet wound in his back."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...ng-palestinian
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I don't like the ideas of this fella and his ponderous, lamenting, victimized tone. But you have to admit he is smart, popular, makes good money and at the end, in the free world, he has the right to voice any opinion.

Israel move here is just stupid. It's just making this guy more popular, more victim and is providing him and his followers the means to feel as righteous and as David against Goliat as ever.
who are you talking about?
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