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Old 07.12.2010, 23:57
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

and amother little piece of trivia for you: the israel goverment probably has less tolerance for settlers than you do.
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Old 08.12.2010, 21:23
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Most of non-arab christians are of russian origin who migrated with jewish partner (mixed couples). So they are very unlikely to have problem with israeli authorities. We are talking about arab christians here.
The document you provided shows a negative immigration balance for Arab christians!
Cherry picking, goal post moving - you are a very busy guy.

"We" are talking about Israel where the Christian population (arab & non arab) is growing. 100 christian arabs emigrated. Big deal. In Iraq christians are lucky if they are killed quickly, in Egypt they are harrased and worse with the (muslim) authorities doing nothing about it- but you found that 2 bus loads decided to leave Israel.

Civilian victims - the Palestinians named a square in Ramallah after child murderer, consider terrorists that blow up restauants heros, and celebrate when Israeli civilians are murdered - to name but a few caeses.

Your response - 2 jewish kids kicking an arab woman.

How very balanced - you should be in the U.N.
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Old 08.12.2010, 21:41
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Cherry picking, goal post moving - you are a very busy guy.

"We" are talking about Israel where the Christian population (arab & non arab) is growing. 100 christian arabs emigrated. Big deal. In Iraq christians are lucky if they are killed quickly, in Egypt they are harrased and worse with the (muslim) authorities doing nothing about it- but you found that 2 bus loads decided to leave Israel.

Civilian victims - the Palestinians named a square in Ramallah after child murderer, consider terrorists that blow up restauants heros, and celebrate when Israeli civilians are murdered - to name but a few caeses.

Your response - 2 jewish kids kicking an arab woman.

How very balanced - you should be in the U.N.
You should switch your handle to Calimero, all the world is wrong and israeli government is right, it's unfair-

Baruch Goldstein if you want me to name and Kahane who has a park with his name in a settler's city. But that you manage to selectively remove from your memory.
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Old 08.12.2010, 21:51
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You should switch your handle to Calimero, all the world is wrong and israeli government is right, it's unfair-

Baruch Goldstein if you want me to name and Kahane who has a park with his name in a settler's city. But that you manage to selectively remove from your memory.
We are not talking about the Israeli government - but about how arab "civilians" treat jewish civilians. and about how you choose to turn a blind eye to it.

How many kids did Kahane killed ? how many Buses did he blow up ?

both of these guys were on the extremeties of Israeli society. worse extremists then them are running the PA.

Yet you believe that a palestinian state (currently run by a holacaust denier & Islamo-fascists) will be a tolerant, law abiding state where Jews & christians could live together.

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Old 08.12.2010, 22:35
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

This is how Hamas thanks Israel for allowing Gazan exports via Israel.
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Old 11.12.2010, 23:25
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This is how Hamas thanks Israel for allowing Gazan exports via Israel.
Why should Hamas have to thank Israel for anything? Gaza in under the control of Hamas, they should be free to import and export the same as Israel. That would be like thanking internment camp prison guards for leniency. You have the logic and perspective of a dictatorship country- didn't you learn anything- Um, well, in retrospect I guess you did
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Old 13.12.2010, 21:15
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Israelis can't get enough of Iranian luxury goods- marble, caviar, pistachios, carpets kind of embarrassing, for those on this forum who claim that Israel is a country of advanced sophistry in a sea of Arab backwardness. Meanwhile I'll just replenish my gold bowl of the highest quality pistachios, from the fridge where I keep the caviar, in my marble-clad kitchen.
Oh I'm sorry did I write sophistry? I meant sophistication of course

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Just a tip- if you like tea we find Sadaf is pretty good.
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Old 19.12.2010, 11:31
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

Facts that destroy the fairy-tale of palestinians living in paradise conditions under Israeli illegal occupation. An extensive study and analysis in this recent report by Human Rights Watch.
"Palestinians face systematic discrimination merely because of their race, ethnicity, and national origin, depriving them of electricity, water, schools, and access to roads, while nearby Jewish settlers enjoy all of these state-provided benefits"



Carroll Bogert, deputy executive director for external relations at Human Rights Watch
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Old 08.01.2011, 11:24
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

IDF murdered innocent 66 years old man in his bed while he was asleep. Just another palestinian murdered but who cares? More on this terrible story:
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- Excellent israeli blog:
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Old 08.01.2011, 19:06
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UN recognition look promising, but Israel is wielding it's sticks; warning any country with whom they have strong relations, not to support recognition of Palestine

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The impasse has confirmed for President Abu Mazen and Prime Minister Fayad the wisdom of their diplomatic strategy in three stages. Its first stage, the building-up of credible national institutions, ...almost complete. The second stage is gaining recognition by individual States of this reality as a State, and it is now well underway. The third stage would be recognition by the United Nations Organization. This ultimate stage is being carefully prepared. First of all, they aim for a new UN Security Council Resolution reaffirming the illegality of Israel’s colonization activities in the occupied territories. This Resolution, which could be introduced this month, is intended to be couched in sober terms, without excessive “anti-Israeli” rhetoric, so as to make it hard for the U.S. to veto it, and hard for other countries not to vote for it. The U.S. may indeed abstain, arguing that it was not “timely”, not “opportune,” or “not helpful at this precise time”; but if there is nothing much in the Resolution except the direct application of international law (which absolutely forbids an occupying power to settle elements of its own population in the occupied territory), and references to previous UN Security Council Resolutions, how could the U.S. justify giving in to Israeli demands to actually “veto” it? Without a U.S. veto, and with at least most (but perhaps all) other members voting in favour of it, the draft will become a binding Resolution of the UN Security Council. Subsequently – and this is the fourth stage - when enough countries (that are not declared enemies or adversaries of Israel) have accorded bilateral recognition to the “Palestinian State within the 1967 borders”, the time will have come for that State to seek admission to the United Nations Organization itself.
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Old 08.01.2011, 19:57
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

Israel is the most sane government and society in all the middle east.
Israel is the country that holds more similarities to western culture and values in all the middle east.
Westerners who do not support Israel are not reading our present and future situation in any way that enables them to arrive to conclusions that support our own societies.
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Old 08.01.2011, 20:48
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I was going to say that unlike Israel, western culture does openly commit war crimes, but Hm well that's kind of what started all this- and so it continues-


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The new, major war will be a total war on civilians, Ashkenazi boasted: “In the next war Israel cannot accept any restrictions on warfare in urban areas.
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Mind you, the civilian deaths deriving from this massive and unrestricted bombing campaign on targets in the midst of civilian urban populations will be “unintentional.” Planning to bomb civilian areas with foreknowledge that you will thereby kill large numbers of civilians is a war crime.
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Israel is the most sane government and society in all the middle east.
Israel is the country that holds more similarities to western culture and values in all the middle east.
Westerners who do not support Israel are not reading our present and future situation in any way that enables them to arrive to conclusions that support our own societies.
The statement that Israel is the 'sanest government' is made completely redundant by the following statement 'in the middle east'. That is similar to saying that Harold Shipman is the sanest serial killer in all of Broadmore maximum security prison for the criminally insane, and is just as meaningless.

The people of Israel are for the most part secular, but the right wing and semi-biblical Jewish policy of the government will eventually lead the whole world to a nuclear 3rd world war, I think the Israeli government could not be further removed from secular European governments, and their human rights record is just as murky as the other middle eastern governments.
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and their human rights record is just as murky as the other middle eastern governments.
Sure, in Israel women get stoned to death, people get imprisoned for expressing their opinions or for drinking alcohol, etc, right?
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the government will eventually lead the whole world to a nuclear 3rd world war
You think so? So you don't think that people that say "Israel must be wiped off the map" are the ones who will create a fully fledged conflict?
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Sure, in Israel women get stoned to death, people get imprisoned for expressing their opinions or for drinking alcohol, etc, right?
Let me guess.... you are from Israel, aren't you?
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Old 08.01.2011, 22:19
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Let me guess.... you are from Israel, aren't you?
Actually I'm not, I'm not Israeli, not Jewish, not related by family or work to any Israeli or Jew. And now that you made me think about it, I only have two Jewish friends but I haven't seen them for a long while.

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Actually I'm not, I'm not Israeli, not Jewish, not related by family or work to any Israeli or Jew. And now that you made me think about it, I only have two Jewish friends but I haven't seen them for a long while.
Just anti-Muslim, like some are antisemitic, or anti-Christian? Personally, I prefer just being anti-extremist.
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Just anti-Muslim, like some are antisemitic, or anti-Christian? Personally, I prefer just being anti-extremist.
I am an atheist. In general, I am anti-religion. However, there are some religions that deserve more of my "anti" energies. One of those is Islam. On the other hand, one that doesn't bother me so much is Budhism.

I am anti-extremist too, that's why I don't like religions. It seems that we have different definitions of what extremism is. For me religions are extremist per se, you can argue to what degree though. Religions exist to discriminate, blind, divide, conquer and dominate. A religion that is particularly efficient at doing this is Islam.

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Sure, in Israel women get stoned to death, people get imprisoned for expressing their opinions or for drinking alcohol, etc, right?
Palestinian woman get killed by Israeli army with tear gas

I see you share some values with israel like killing old man in his bed during his sleep (see my previous post).
I think you write without knowing what you write about. Your only motivation is the hate of muslims that makes you loose the last atom of rationality.
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