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Palestinian woman get killed by Israeli army with tear gas

I see you share some values with israel like killing old man in his bed during his sleep (see my previous post).
I think you write without knowing what you write about. Your only motivation is the hate of muslims that makes you loose the last atom of rationality.
Tear gas should produce what is meant to produce: tears, irritation, etc. not death. Evidently this is a sad and extreme case.

I can't comment on the old man that you mention, I don't know enough about it.

I don't hate people, I don't hate Muslims, I'm anti-religion, especially anti-Islamic. Can you notice the difference? Or can you only see things digitally?

Let me put it this way: Imagine you are vegetarian on ethical grounds (coincidentally I am) and you have strong feelings about animals' welfare. Imagine those feelings and mindset, drives you to become an anti-meat-eating guy. You envision a world with vegetarian people, except maybe where they really need it: eskimos for example.
So, if you profoundly dislike that people eat meat, does that make you hate, for example, your meat-eating family? your meat-eating friends?
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Religions exist to discriminate, blind, divide, conquer and dominate. A religion that is particularly efficient at doing this is Islam.
I second that...

Anyway, I want to throw my 2 cents in:

Why Palestinians DO NOT deserve a state -

Is there a distinct Palestinian language/culture ? NO ! You won't find any historic document mentioning the 'Palestinian people' (before 1964)...

At least the Jews can actually claim they're an ethnic group with a language, tradition, religion and culture of their own...

Palestinians are simply Arabs... just like Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, the Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.. Mind you, they could easily move to those respective countries !

In fact, the term "Palestinian people" is equivalent to "Kosovo people" or "Texas people" !

The notion of "Palestinian" is manipulative, designed by Muslims for propaganda purposes and is related to a territory, not an ethnicity or culture !

Arabs already control 99.88% of the territories in the Middle East, but obviously the psychos want more ! These guys really are the descendants of Saladin... still obsessed by Jerusalem, they just won't give up !


In any case, the existence of Israel is necessary for the region ! Why ? Simple: to civilize the Palestinians. Also to provide food, water, electricity and medication.

I'd rather give the Roma their own nation state than to Palestinians !

Arabs are dying of envy because Israel has managed to turn a piece of desert into an oasis (with some help from the US of course) ! They're also envious of the Jewish achievements in medicine, science and technology !
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I second that...

Anyway, I want to throw my 2 cents in:

Why Palestinians DO NOT deserve a state -

Is there a distinct Palestinian language/culture ? NO ! You won't find any historic document mentioning the 'Palestinian people' (before 1964)...

At least the Jews can actually claim they're an ethnic group with a language, tradition, religion and culture of their own...

Palestinians are simply Arabs... just like Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, the Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.. Mind you, they could easily move to those respective countries !

In fact, the term "Palestinian people" is equivalent to "Kosovo people" or "Texas people" !

The notion of "Palestinian" is manipulative, designed by Muslims for propaganda purposes and is related to a territory, not an ethnicity or culture !

Arabs already control 99.88% of the territories in the Middle East, but obviously the psychos want more ! These guys really are the descendants of Saladin... still obsessed by Jerusalem, they just won't give up !


In any case, the existence of Israel is necessary for the region ! Why ? Simple: to civilize the Palestinians. Also to provide food, water, electricity and medication.

I'd rather give the Roma their own nation state than to Palestinians !

Arabs are dying of envy because Israel has managed to turn a piece of desert into an oasis (with some help from the US of course) ! They're also envious of the Jewish achievements in medicine, science and technology !
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Old 09.01.2011, 19:13
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Load of BS...
Do you have any link to ''support'' what you are throwing up here?

Ps: And I am kind....
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It's all the same to me, there are good priests and bad priests, good mullahs and bad mullahs, good rabbis and bad rabbis.

I don't care if people choose to cover themselves or not, as long as they are not coerced.
I know many wonderful Muslims, Jews and Christians. I don't know many Buddhists- they are kind of quiet I even had Mormon friends, many Quaker friends (really nice people) no Jehovah witness friends as of yet.....
A Sikh friend and a once a Jain friend, but that's all par for the course when you live in a multicultural society and try to get to get to know people.
There's good and bad, extremes and tolerances in every religion.
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Do you have any link to ''support'' what you are throwing up here?
Deary, I don't need any link to 'confirm' what I said, because it's all true !
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Deary, I don't need any link to 'confirm' what I said, because it's all true !
Right....

So here is the troll/sophisticat.
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Old 09.01.2011, 20:10
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Deary, I don't need any link to 'confirm' what I said, because it's all true !
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There is a VERY important difference in the pictures that you just showed and I guess that you already know what it is but for some reason you have decided to ignore it:

Choice. Women in all pictures except one have a choice to wear what they want to wear.
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Old 09.01.2011, 21:27
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There is a VERY important difference in the pictures that you just showed and I guess that you already know what it is but for some reason you have decided to ignore it:

Choice. Women in all pictures except one have a choice to wear what they want to wear.
No, women can be trapped in societies in almost every country in the world, cut off and kept ignorant of their rights. I am a Muslim, I don't wear a headscarf. Not all women in Afghanistan wear headscarves not all Muslims wear headscarves. So- explain the difference! It might surprise you to know that Ahmadinejad doesn't really care if women wear headscarves or not.
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

All it takes is questioning one death during the arrest of an islamo-fascist terrorist or how can a normal person die from inhaling crowd-dispresal gas while standing 500 meters from the actual riot (other people standing next to her were not impacted) and you are labed a racist.

"You won't find any historic document mentioning the 'Palestinian people' (before 1964)... "

go ahead - should be easy to disprove. name a single U.N resolution concerning the "palestinians" before 1967.
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No, women can be trapped in societies in almost every country in the world, cut off and kept ignorant of their rights. I am a Muslim, I don't wear a headscarf. Not all women in Afghanistan wear headscarves not all Muslims wear headscarves. So- explain the difference! It might surprise you to know that Ahmadinejad doesn't really care if women wear headscarves or not.
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It might surprise you to know that Ahmadinejad doesn't really care if women wear headscarves or not.
Oh really ? So that's why even men aren't allowed to have 'Western haircuts' !?

Defending Ahmadinejad now, are we ?

Let me guess...you also agree that women should be stoned when they commit adultery, right ?

And that homosexuals be hanged on crains ?

Waw, I really like the Muslim mentality...I also like the leftist-elitists hypocrites that constantly defend you !
You see them criticizing the so-called Israeli apartheid, but you don't see them disapprove of gender segregation in Saudi Arabia, or even the discrimination of the Kurds...
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Oh really ? So that's why even men aren't allowed to have 'Western haircuts' !?

Defending Ahmadinejad now, are we ?

Let me guess...you also agree that women should be stoned when they commit adultery, right ?

And that homosexuals be hanged on crains ?

Waw, I really like the Muslim mentality...I also like the leftist-elitists hypocrites that constantly defend you !
You see them criticizing the so-called Israeli apartheid, but you don't see them disapprove of gender segregation in Saudi Arabia, or even the discrimination of the Kurds...
Here are my answers-

No, I don't defend Ahmadinejad- just some things are surprising it surprised me! Yes I am a leftist-elitist and proud of it- although also fiscally conservative, where fiscally conservative means that bankers don't spend what you don't have and don't ask for massive tax cuts or tax dodges at the expense of the country.

Yes, I do believe that the Likud government is operating in an apartheid fashion. Sometimes I can appreciate gender segregation to be good thing, like a girllie shopping trip, but I am a bit of a tomboy, if you sent me shopping it would be for hemi snowblower or a lie detector. That aside I can't really answer. I feel like a gay man trapped in a woman's body. I think that men and women should be free to exchange roles. If I was a man I would probably still want try make-up and high heels or even a veil. The wearing of clothes should be optional as far as I am concerned.

Ask the your government, not me, why they support Saudi Arabia. I don't support Saudi Arabia.

I don't agree with violence or capital punishment in any form. In one state in the US they ran out of lethal injection so they are substituting veterinary products. I am also anti-war.

I have known quite a few Kurds, stayed in their homes etc. great horseback riders and hunters, however I don't fully understand their politics, there are different factions, it's a bit complicated. I admire the fact that they tried to stop Bush's company from stealing their oil as part of his Iraq spoils of victory. Kurdish men that I knew were very particular about the honor of their women. Do you personally know any Kurds? I don't appreciate that they allow Mossad to train them in attacks against Iran, that they allow themselves to be used against a country which perhaps, amongst their neighbours, afforded them the most respect.

Did you know that Savak trained by the CIA would torture their victims by roasting them on racks. Iran is one of the few countries that has never instigated war it merely acts in defense.

Iran had a democracy, the US and the UK destroyed it- this is openly admitted by the US and the UK, they have apologized, but it's too late to turn back the clock.




A few years ago Iran offered the US an olive branch- a letter from the Iranian government to the Bush government via the Swiss Embassy, Bush chose to disregard it. In Afghanistan Iran helped the US, enabling early victories. On 9/11 Iranian people flooded the streets in a public outcry of support for those who died in the attacks. In return the Iranians were placed on the 'Axis of Evil'


So it sounds like you have been bombarded with anti-Muslim (by the way Kurds are Muslims) propaganda.
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Oh really ? So that's why even men aren't allowed to have 'Western haircuts' !?

Defending Ahmadinejad now, are we ?

Let me guess...you also agree that women should be stoned when they commit adultery, right ?

And that homosexuals be hanged on crains ?

Waw, I really like the Muslim mentality...I also like the leftist-elitists hypocrites that constantly defend you !
You see them criticizing the so-called Israeli apartheid, but you don't see them disapprove of gender segregation in Saudi Arabia, or even the discrimination of the Kurds...
News Flash! Kurds are muslims.

And News Flash no 2, I am married to one.

News Flash no 3; I don't live any different than any of you here.

yada yada yada.
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Marbie,

Out of nine posts you've made so far, five have been critical of Islam in some way.

The forum's about far more than grinding your political axe. How about you go over the introductions section and tell us a bit about yourself?
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I second that...

Anyway, I want to throw my 2 cents in:

Why Palestinians DO NOT deserve a state -

Is there a distinct Palestinian language/culture ? NO ! You won't find any historic document mentioning the 'Palestinian people' (before 1964)...

At least the Jews can actually claim they're an ethnic group with a language, tradition, religion and culture of their own...

Palestinians are simply Arabs... just like Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, the Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.. Mind you, they could easily move to those respective countries !

In fact, the term "Palestinian people" is equivalent to "Kosovo people" or "Texas people" !

The notion of "Palestinian" is manipulative, designed by Muslims for propaganda purposes and is related to a territory, not an ethnicity or culture !

Arabs already control 99.88% of the territories in the Middle East, but obviously the psychos want more ! These guys really are the descendants of Saladin... still obsessed by Jerusalem, they just won't give up !


In any case, the existence of Israel is necessary for the region ! Why ? Simple: to civilize the Palestinians. Also to provide food, water, electricity and medication.

I'd rather give the Roma their own nation state than to Palestinians !

Arabs are dying of envy because Israel has managed to turn a piece of desert into an oasis (with some help from the US of course) ! They're also envious of the Jewish achievements in medicine, science and technology !
Wow! I mean, really... WOW!
I'm not Muslim, and am not from the region in question (I'm actually SVP nightmare: Romanian, shaved head and goatee!)... but, I have to ask you this: does the "reservation" that you've escaped from know that you've gone missing?!
There are very few other more infantile paragraphs I've read in my life, that could top the one quoted above...
No wonder this world is going to $hit.
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Marbie,

Out of nine posts you've made so far, five have been critical of Islam in some way.

The forum's about far more than grinding your political axe. How about you go over the introductions section and tell us a bit about yourself?
What's does the poster's info got to do with his/hers posts ? If someone disagrees with the post he should refute it factually.
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What's does the poster's info got to do with his/hers posts ? If someone disagrees with the post he should refute it factually.
I'm not really sure sophisti-marbie is here for a reasoned dispassionate argument as one might find in the pages of Foreign Affairs magazine.....
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

hoppy (Forum Veteran) wrote that there are bad people in all groups of society.
Unfortunately this is true fact of life.
But consider this:
If bad people commit atrocities in the name of whatever and their leaders (who are supposedly, not bad!)
applaud them & preach that anyone who does the same, will be rewarded with 70 virgins,
then what does that make the whole group??????


p.s. by the way, what are the women rewarded with?

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