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Old 10.01.2011, 18:13
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Do I understand you correctly, all what I have quoted is incorrect, not in the Koran?
If so I apologise to you & everyone who has read my humbug and bid you all good evening.
You going to bed already- by the way the hate sites say 72 virgins- happy dreams.

Well, it's not what it says in my version of the koran- perhaps it's the Al Qaeda training manual Koran version.
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You going to bed already- by the way the hate sites say 72 virgins- happy dreams.

Well, it's not what it says in my version of the koran- perhaps it's the Al Qaeda training manual Koran version.
Perhaps you should update the misconceptions page?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ceptions#Islam

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This also?

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

Waiting for your info where I have gone wrong!
You think verses like that are isolated to the Muslim faith? I could find you a few from the Bible. Pretty true of all religious texts.

Most Christians would be pretty upset to be lumped in with the Westboro Baptist church, and I doubt you would imply such a thing, yet you seem to happy to lump all those born into islam with their most extreme practitioners.
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

Hi,

Final call for the quality of posts on this thread to improve. I did ask back on page 519, but some really find the need to be extraordinarily ignorant. The theme is Israel - Palestine. If you fancy displaying swivel eyed hate against one 'side' or the other, take your energy to outside an Embassy / contact your political representative.

Thank you.
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

Pressure is increasing on Israel:

- European diplomates in Jerusalem and Ramallah are calling on the EU to recognise East Jerusalem as the capital of a future Palestinian state and to impose unprecedented sanctions on Israel

- More and more countries to recognize State of Palestine

Will we see a UN recognized Palestinian State before 2012?
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custodian, please just don't read through the Quran blindly without understanding the context and the circumstances under which those versus were revealed.
As an example in 60s an Amercan general said to his troops go & kill these viatnamies any where u find them? It was war hence the contest explains the purpose. Now u take this part from his orders and post it some where today in 2010
"Go & kill viatnamies any where u find then"
what would that mean? Use some common sense which isn't so common.
People have spent there lives to explaining the meaning & versus of quran in their context. e.g. Tafseer Ibn-e-kabir has 17 volumes. u can't be an expert on quran by just quoting a verse of quran from Surah Taubah 9:73, Do u know the meaning of Taubah?
Do u know the one significant difference between this Surah 73 and the rest of the 114 in Quran?
Anyways have a look on this video from Minutes 39 for 3/4 minutes and u will have ur answers. Although all of this is interesting as well
http://www.ilovezakirnaik.com/videos..._and_jihad.htm
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Pressure is increasing on Israel:

- European diplomates in Jerusalem and Ramallah are calling on the EU to recognise East Jerusalem as the capital of a future Palestinian state and to impose unprecedented sanctions on Israel

- More and more countries to recognize State of Palestine

Will we see a UN recognized Palestinian State before 2012?
Let's assume such a state is declared by the U.N - with the 1967 armisitice lines as borders-

How will it treat its jewish citizens - 500,000 of them and counting ?

How will a PLO "palesitinian" PM travel from the Fatahland portion to Hamastan ? what will happen to him there ?

It never ceases to amaze me that adults really think that a creation of yet another arab-muslim state will make things better (yes - I know there are some christians left, quickly melting away).
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Old 11.01.2011, 00:09
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Let's assume such a state is declared by the U.N - with the 1967 armisitice lines as borders-

How will it treat its jewish citizens - 500,000 of them and counting ?

How will a PLO "palesitinian" PM travel from the Fatahland portion to Hamastan ? what will happen to him there ?

It never ceases to amaze me that adults really think that a creation of yet another arab-muslim state will make things better (yes - I know there are some christians left, quickly melting away).
So now you are worried that the Palestinians will treat Jews the way the Israel Likud treated Palestinians? What are you expecting?- phosphorus bombs, reversing the apartheid situation, major companies having to pay bribes to get through checkpoints into Israel, arbitrary shootings, bulldozing homes on Israeli land- give me a break!

By the way Christians are leaving Jerusalem- forced out by Israelis; whose aim is to take the whole of Jerusalem believing that it was given to them from God.

Meanwhile in Bethlehem, Palestinian territories record number visitors attend for Christmas

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...d961623561.801

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Let's assume such a state is declared by the U.N - with the 1967 armisitice lines as borders-

How will it treat its jewish citizens - 500,000 of them and counting ?

How will a PLO "palesitinian" PM travel from the Fatahland portion to Hamastan ? what will happen to him there ?

It never ceases to amaze me that adults really think that a creation of yet another arab-muslim state will make things better (yes - I know there are some christians left, quickly melting away).
- it will treat the jewish citizens the way palestinians and arabs in general are treated in Israel

- the creation of palestinian state is definitely not an improvement.....for israel- For palestinians it's definitely meaning freedom.

Israeli diplomats are fearing this scenario of a UN wide recognition unlike you in a very visionary statement.
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

This thread is about the Israel - Palestine conflict.

Nothing else

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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

[QUOTE=phacel;1064645]custodian, please just don't read through the Quran blindly without understanding the context and the circumstances under which those versus were revealed.
As an example in 60s an Amercan general said to his troops go & kill these viatnamies any where u find them? It was war hence the contest explains the purpose. Now u take this part from his orders and post it some where today in 2010
"Go & kill viatnamies any where u find then"
what would that mean?

Above is part of Phacels post from yesterday.
I do not profess to know what is written in the Koran, all I am quoting is, what the Suicide Bombers and gang, quote from the Koran upon committing their atrocities. How they justify this to their families, friends, teachers, preachers, who applaud them for it all in the name of M!
Woe to anyone who voices any critic!
If Americans would today in 2011 commit suicide acts of violence & kill innocent people in the name of the Koran then we would be discussing that also in 2011. They are not. So ...............
We are discussing here the Israel - Pale. conflict and the reason why it is so difficult to reach a peacfull solution.
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- it will treat the jewish citizens the way palestinians and arabs in general are treated in Israel

- the creation of palestinian state is definitely not an improvement.....for israel- For palestinians it's definitely meaning freedom.

Israeli diplomats are fearing this scenario of a UN wide recognition unlike you in a very visionary statement.
See how the PA is treating the Arabs it rules - a lot worse than the treatment their relatives get in Israel, Jews would be treated a lot worse.

What freedoms do Palestinians enjoy in Gaza (a de facto palestinian ruled country)? no free media, arbitrary courts, no sexual freedom, the list is long: the average Gazan lives under an Islamo-Fascist rule.

All Arab countries are not free.

This is the freedom that you wish for - Bad for Israel, worse for the Arabs.
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See how the PA is treating the Arabs it rules - a lot worse than the treatment their relatives get in Israel, Jews would be treated a lot worse.

What freedoms do Palestinians enjoy in Gaza (a de facto palestinian ruled country)? no free media, arbitrary courts, no sexual freedom, the list is long: the average Gazan lives under an Islamo-Fascist rule.

All Arab countries are not free.

This is the freedom that you wish for - Bad for Israel, worse for the Arabs.
I think that most Palestinians still prefer their government in comparison to what Israel is doing to them. So we will see, live in a Jordanian type country- or live in a state of siege with your children being killed and your land stolen in the name of a Jewish God. Hmmm!- let me try to work this out..... hmm difficult choice.
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I think that most Palestinians still prefer their government in comparison to what Israel is doing to them. So we will see, live in a Jordanian type country- or live in a state of siege with your children being killed and your land stolen in the name of a Jewish God. Hmmm!- let me try to work this out..... hmm difficult choice.
Hmm, given the choice of Ramallah or Khan Yunis, I'd plump for cooperative Ramallah any day. There there is a pragmatic mindset and business does reasonably well. Prolly because Hamas aren't terrifying the Bejaysus outta everyone, Arab or Jew.
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Hmm, given the choice of Ramallah or Khan Yunis, I'd plump for cooperative Ramallah any day. There there is a pragmatic mindset and business does reasonably well. Prolly because Hamas aren't terrifying the Bejaysus outta everyone, Arab or Jew.
You orientalist islamophobe ! that will be 30 lashes & and an amputation of a limb of your choice.
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"If Americans would today in 2011 commit suicide acts of violence & kill innocent people in the name of the Koran then we would be discussing that also in 2011. They are not. So ..............."

Wow! Do you think they(USA) are not? and since when? I can only see that they are doing that for at least the last 50 years. Oh well the difference is that its organized crime, with a proper gang (Marines) and institutions. Also don't forget all the Israeli atrocities & genocide against Palestinians. has the backing of US both moral & material.
I am against all violence & acts of aggression committed by any side and what ever reasons they use to justify that? whether distorting the versus of Quran or "self defence", war against terrorism etc
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Old 11.01.2011, 18:16
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"If Americans would today in 2011 commit suicide acts of violence & kill innocent people in the name of the Koran then we would be discussing that also in 2011. They are not. So ..............."

Wow! Do you think they(USA) are not? and since when? I can only see that they are doing that for at least the last 50 years. Oh well the difference is that its organized crime, with a proper gang (Marines) and institutions. Also don't forget all the Israeli atrocities & genocide against Palestinians. has the backing of US both moral & material.
I am against all violence & acts of aggression committed by any side and what ever reasons they use to justify that? whether distorting the versus of Quran or "self defence", war against terrorism etc
We can't always blame the foot soldiers though when as citizens we vote in a government that directs them. The forces need proper oversight. There are questions being raised recently about soldiers being forced to into religious seminars prayer gatherings, ( including the funding of such schemes) and being refused if they put agnostic or atheist on their forms.
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Agreed, Yes one cannot put all the blame on those young lads who them selves are going through difficult times in fighting those wars, & some of them who still have some respect left for human life & dignity have to face the post war trauma for the remaining of life.
Its the institutions & system & media to be blamed for. words like "unbreakable partnership" "no compromise on the security of our ally". Yes all those all good things. Hitler also wanted food for all of his citizens & cars for every one "volks wagen" peoples car. but at what cost? neighbors destruction.
So US-Isreali relations but not at others costs.
The color of blood is same for all humans. whether jews, muslims, etc. why double standards then? How many isrealis were killed in rocket attacks? and how many Palestinians in Gaza. So who is the terrorist by any definition?
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custodian, please just don't read through the Quran blindly without understanding the context and the circumstances under which those versus were revealed.
As an example in 60s an Amercan general said to his troops go & kill these viatnamies any where u find them? It was war hence the contest explains the purpose. Now u take this part from his orders and post it some where today in 2010
"Go & kill viatnamies any where u find then"
what would that mean?

Above is part of Phacels post from yesterday.
I do not profess to know what is written in the Koran, all I am quoting is, what the Suicide Bombers and gang, quote from the Koran upon committing their atrocities. How they justify this to their families, friends, teachers, preachers, who applaud them for it all in the name of M!
Woe to anyone who voices any critic!
If Americans would today in 2011 commit suicide acts of violence & kill innocent people in the name of the Koran then we would be discussing that also in 2011. They are not. So ...............
We are discussing here the Israel - Pale. conflict and the reason why it is so difficult to reach a peacfull solution.
I just ponder over how you come to convince yourself into believing that Israel is the most peace-loving country in the world, haven't committed any crimes against any group of people or peoples, haven't invaded sovereign countries, and constantly pushes for equality and fraternity amongst all subjects...are you serious? you are in such an indescribable state of denial...the Mossad had just forged a whole bunch of ''friendly'' countries' passports in a series of assassinations on foreign soil. Forging passports is no act of friendship pal. Israel shows respect for the international community...
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

this was already discussed many pages ago.

the above statement applies to Phasel as well, and to 80% of the other posts...
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