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Old 26.04.2011, 20:56
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

Well, that dividing wall between the PA and Israel isn't too scary looking to me. That kid seems able to 280 Flip his Ollie over it, or whatever it's called.

Honestly, I dunno what all the fuss is about. Israel / Palestine looks fun from here!
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Old 26.04.2011, 21:11
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... Israel / Palestine looks fun from here!
srael: It's all fun and games until someone loses an I.

How about a glass of extreme(ly good) wine ? (sorry for the google translation)
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Old 26.04.2011, 21:50
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srael: It's all fun and games until someone loses an I.

How about a glass of extreme(ly good) wine ? (sorry for the google translation)
Now thats funny! not loosing a eye of course
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Old 26.04.2011, 22:23
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I mean that the palestinians have a culture which glorifies death. A culture which relies heavily on "honour". This honour is achieved by killing (or maintained by keeping a piece of skin intact until the wedding night).

(...).
What a statement full of prejudice. You are free to have your "opinion" but I am not sure that public statements like that are acceptable.
Remember that this forum is not hosted in Israel where anti-Arab racism is tolerated.
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Old 26.04.2011, 22:42
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What a statement full of prejudice. You are free to have your "opinion" but I am not sure that public statements like that are acceptable.
Remember that this forum is not hosted in Israel where anti-Arab racism is tolerated.
1. Most palestinians voted for an Islamo-fascist party proud of its child murdering. for example: Blowing up a school bus with a missile less than a month ago.
2. Fatah has recently honored the planner of the Park hotel massacre, and named a square after a child killing terrorist.

These parties represent almost all palestinians - not a small minority.

Remember: this is not an Arab forum where facts are optional.

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Old 26.04.2011, 23:27
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1. Most palestinians voted for an Islamo-fascist party proud of its child murdering. for example: Blowing up a school bus with a missile less than a month ago.
2. Fatah has recently honored the planner of the Park hotel massacre, and named a square after a child killing terrorist.

These parties represent almost all palestinians - not a small minority.

Remember: this is not an Arab forum where facts are optional.
In terms of child killing the trophy goes to IDF honouring its crimes by legal protection.
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Old 26.04.2011, 23:36
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In terms of child killing the trophy goes to IDF honouring its crimes by legal protection.
Thank you for accepting the facts I quoted.

Note that even the U.N failed to find the IDF guilty of war crimes, The palestinians are proud of their war crimes.
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Old 27.04.2011, 07:07
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Thank you for accepting the facts I quoted.

Note that even the U.N failed to find the IDF guilty of war crimes, The palestinians are proud of their war crimes.
Curiously U.N (an organization that you like to despise) did show in Goldstone report quite a few things. Anyway by your statement you are accepting that IDF is morally responsible for the crimes.
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Old 27.04.2011, 07:38
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

Golly Gosh! So many fingers wagging, so few solutions offered. And that's just in this thread
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Old 27.04.2011, 08:47
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Now thats funny! not loosing a eye of course
Yeah man. So there's this awesome stand up guy from New York who did a set at the German Embassy in Washington to a load of German dignitaries. They laughed their heads off and at the end they convened for cocktails and the German Ambassador, tears still running from his eyes asked, "how come we don't have anyone at home like you?" and the comedian answered, "because you killed them all".

Regarding the Palestinian culture, it doesn't glorify death. In the Arab world, the Palestinians are the educated, urbane ones who run the Saudi's companies for them while they're busy beating their servants and crashing their Ferraris. Of course, when at war you're going to have political parties recruiting and this is often done, around the world, through religion or a warped iteration of same. In any case, to the extent that warped religion plays a part in the Palestinian's struggle so it does in the Jew's. You realise that Jerusalem isn't actually Gold right? Next, Pashosh, you'll be calling them those damn falafel-eaters
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Old 27.04.2011, 10:52
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About "Our God is not theirs"

Interesting quote; so far as I understand Jews, Christian & Muslims have exactly the same one God?

So what does this quote mean exactly?
He can't really be the same God if he promised the land to the Jews but forgot to tell the Muslims.

Unless maybe he was double dealing or has a split personality.

But I think none of the three religions mentioned believe their God is like that. Therefore he cannot be the same God.
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

Its not all that complicated. Im sure Fatah and Hamas can be eventually dissolved into mainstream democratic political parties like Lehi (Stern Gang).

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Neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can disqualify terrorism as a means of combat. We are very far from having any moral qualms as far as our national war goes. We have before us the command of the Torah, whose morality surpasses that of any other body of laws in the world: "Ye shall blot them out to the last man." But first and foremost, terrorism is for us a part of the political battle being conducted under the present circumstances, and it has a great part to play: speaking in a clear voice to the whole world, as well as to our wretched brethren outside this land, it proclaims our war against the occupier. We are particularly far from this sort of hesitation in regard to an enemy whose moral perversion is admitted by all. [14]
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In 1940, the idea of the Final Solution was still "unthinkable," and Stern believed that Hitler wanted to make Germany judenrein through emigration, as opposed to extermination. In December 1940, Lehi even contacted Germany with a proposal to aid German conquest in the Middle East in return for recognition of a Jewish state open to unlimited immigration.[11]
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Poles treated terrorism as a science. We have mastered mathematical principles of demolishing constructions made of concrete, iron, wood, bricks and dirt.[27]


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As a group that never had over a few hundred members, Lehi relied on audacious but small-scale operations to bring their message home. They adopted the tactics of groups such as the Socialist Revolutionaries and the Combat Organization of the Polish Socialist Party in Czarist Russia,[36] and the Irish Republican Army, which had overcome Britain to gain Ireland's independence. To this end, Lehi conducted small-scale operations such as assassinations of British soldiers and police officers and Jewish "collaborators." Another strategy, adopted in 1946, was to send bombs in the mail to many British politicians. Other actions included sabotaging infrastructure targets: bridges, railroads, and oil refineries. Lehi financed their operations from private donations, extortion, and bank robbery.


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During the lead-up to the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, Lehi mined the Cairo-Haifa train several times. On 29 February 1948, Lehi mined the train north of Rehovot, killing 28 soldiers and wounding 35. On 31 March, Lehi mined the train near Binyamina, killing 40 civilians and wounding 60.


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The conflict between Lehi and mainstream Jewish and subsequently Israeli organizations came to an end when Lehi was formally dissolved and integrated into the Israeli Defense Forces on 31 May 1948, its leaders getting amnesty from prosecution or reprisals as part of the integration.


I think Paletine should also form a National Army and the militant members of Hamas should be recruited as soldiers and given uniforms and registered guns. The easiest way to eliminate terrorists and extremists by far.
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Curiously U.N (an organization that you like to despise) did show in Goldstone report quite a few things. Anyway by your statement you are accepting that IDF is morally responsible for the crimes.
According to Pashosh, the UN doesn't consider the IDF actions to be crimes. I have no idea whether this is the case.

But there have certainly be incidents where IDF soldiers have been prosecuted by the army for overstepping the mark. E.g. So it appears, that where the IDF commit crimes that are recognised as such by the larger community, they do take moral responsibility.
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Old 27.04.2011, 12:14
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Regarding the Palestinian culture, it doesn't glorify death. In the Arab world, the Palestinians are the educated, urbane ones who run the Saudi's companies ...
I provided concrete examples of how the Palestinian culture does glorify death, a few "export quality" ex-pat Palestinians in Saudi is hardly a refute - and even they don't particularly object to it, only they expect their poorer brethren to do the dying for them.
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I provided concrete examples of how the Palestinian culture does glorify death, a few "export quality" ex-pat Palestinians in Saudi is hardly a refute - and even they don't particularly object to it, only they expect their poorer brethren to do the dying for them.
You're right, the fact that you found a Settler that knows how to skateboard is court-worthy proof that they're all hippies at heart.

Look: it's a bunch of flowers made to look like an automatic weapon:


And their counterparty (and no, neither photo is representative of anything at all)

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Old 27.04.2011, 12:30
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I provided concrete examples of how the Palestinian culture does glorify death, a few "export quality" ex-pat Palestinians in Saudi is hardly a refute - and even they don't particularly object to it, only they expect their poorer brethren to do the dying for them.
I am totally disgusted by your blatant racism.
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It's beards. It's all about the beards.

Bearded men are lunatics: look at the Israeli settlers in the photograph above. Beards. Al-Qaida. Beards. Mormon patriarchs with a hundred wives. Beards. Racist Russian priests. Beards. They've all got beards.

Compulsory shaving is the only solution.

I propose a collection of razor blades for Peace in the Middle East.
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By the Gods, you are onto something! I shall shave immediately!
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Old 27.04.2011, 12:48
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It's beards. It's all about the beards.

Bearded men are lunatics: look at the Israeli settlers in the photograph above. Beards. Al-Qaida. Beards. Mormon patriarchs with a hundred wives. Beards. Racist Russian priests. Beards. They've all got beards.

Compulsory shaving is the only solution.

I propose a collection of razor blades for Peace in the Middle East.
Moustaches. It's all about Moustaches. Look, Barak Awesome-O (no moustache), crazy bastard 1 (moustache), crazy bastard 2 (moustache)



Anyway, Pashosh and the anti-Pashosh brigade: IMO it's just really unlikely that in any real life situation there's going to be an absolute right and an absolute wrong (I have no moustache). Life isn't that neat. I think Jerusalem is the natural and exclusive homeland of the Jews. I also think it's the natural and exclusive homeland of the Palestinians. The fact that these two truths aren't mutually compatible in the real world doesn't make either of them less true. Yes, Palestinians blows themselves up, kill women and children, and the Strip erupts in gleeful cheers. Pretty disgusting but also understandable. They live in a horrific state and they blame the Israelis. The Israelis are partly responsible, but the reality is that everyone is caught in the mother of all vicious cycles. It's a big shrug really, but saying either side represents the truth and the light is just unrealistic.
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My beard is midway between beard and stubble. So I guess I'm half lunatic. Maybe I should start a poll.

Btw - sandal wearing beardies are the worst. If they smoke a pipe - run for it.
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