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Old 21.07.2011, 15:50
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Told ya- JStreet is the voice of reason.

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Obama's Support Among Jews Steadies Despite Distrust On Israel Policy

Despite having a sharply unfavorable opinion of how he has handled the Israeli-Palestinian crisis -- and offering a mixed review of his handling of the economy -- Jewish Americans remain committed to President Obama heading into the 2012 campaign.

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dont know if it has been posted yet but this docum. is amazing....and very sad
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Israel "walks like an egyptian". It all
Huge demonstration for more justice shows how Israel is also affected by the "Arab spring" ripple effect.
I wonder where the "paradise" described by Pashosh is when 300'000 go in the street to ask for more justice.
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Israel "walks like an egyptian". It all
Huge demonstration for more justice shows how Israel is also affected by the "Arab spring" ripple effect.
I wonder where the "paradise" described by Pashosh is when 300'000 go in the street to ask for more justice.
When did I describe Israel as a paradise ?

Compared to it's neighbours Israel is paradise++ but the Israelis (shameless Zionists!) always want more (and get it).
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When did I describe Israel as a paradise ?

Compared to it's neighbours Israel is paradise++ but the Israelis (shameless Zionists!) always want more (and get it).
like more palestinian territory ?
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like more palestinian territory ?
Like quality of life, income, education, health care, sex life & better cultural life.

You should try it sometime - would make a lovely change from fabricated quotes.

The demonstrations are about the high cost of living in Israel - which nobody disputes. that's why jews & arabs, right & left, religious & non religious joined.

All very tame when compared to Tottenham last night (or Chile & Greece) - is Tottenham also enjoying the Egyptian ripple ?
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

Why is this forum so busy with Palestine?

What about all the atrocities that happen, with massacres,
of Nigerian Christians, Egyptian Copts, Syrians, Sudanese,
Buddhists in southern Thailand. But the Israeli/Palestine
conflict is always on the front page, while there are so many
silent holocausts going on all over the world that go ignored.
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Why is so busy with Palestine?
It isn't busy with Palestine, it's busy with Israel bashers.

Arabs killed more palestinians than Israel in the last 60 years, yet no one seemed to be too bothered.

Compare the length of this thread to the syrian one. A yemen thread would be even smaller.
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Like quality of life, income, education, health care, sex life & better cultural life.

You should try it sometime - would make a lovely change from fabricated quotes.

The demonstrations are about the high cost of living in Israel - which nobody disputes. that's why jews & arabs, right & left, religious & non religious joined.

All very tame when compared to Tottenham last night (or Chile & Greece) - is Tottenham also enjoying the Egyptian ripple ?
What no sex-life in Israel!!http://www.haaretz.com/news/national...ntiff-1.377453 Or they lie about it ?
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It isn't busy with Palestine, it's busy with Israel bashers.

Arabs killed more palestinians than Israel in the last 60 years, yet no one seemed to be too bothered.

Compare the length of this thread to the syrian one. A yemen thread would be even smaller.
Syrian, Yemen thread do not need to be full of posts when everyone agree that the dictator and murderer needs to be removed. Interesting is Israel when people like pashosh spend their time doing PR for netanyahu here and projecting an image of a perfect Israel. By the way people in Israel protest also against the corruption and plutocratic government. I am very glad people of Israel woke up.
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It isn't busy with Palestine, it's busy with Israel bashers.

Arabs killed more palestinians than Israel in the last 60 years, yet no one seemed to be too bothered.

Compare the length of this thread to the syrian one. A yemen thread would be even smaller.
Israel does it to drive the pal`s out of the occupied territory to take the land ,Ben Gurions idea
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Syrian, Yemen thread do not need to be full of posts when everyone agree that the dictator and murderer needs to be removed. Interesting is Israel when people like pashosh spend their time doing PR for netanyahu here and projecting an image of a perfect Israel. By the way people in Israel protest also against the corruption and plutocratic government. I am very glad people of Israel woke up.
As I said - Mt. Vertigo is not really interested in the palestinians, but in Israel bashing. If he was he would argue against a currupt, bankrupt, Islamo-fascist state than an Indepenmdant "Palestine" is likely to be (see Gaza).

The "replacement" in Egypt, Syria & Yemen (maybe even Libya) are quite likely to be worse than the incumbent. See the SCAF/MB for details.
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As I said - Mt. Vertigo is not really interested in the palestinians, but in Israel bashing. If he was he would argue against a currupt, bankrupt, Islamo-fascist state than an Indepenmdant "Palestine" is likely to be (see Gaza).

The "replacement" in Egypt, Syria & Yemen (maybe even Libya) are quite likely to be worse than the incumbent. See the SCAF/MB for details.
Today Palestinians are not free. Once they are with their own state (i.e after Sept. declaration) and choose freely and democratically a government then I can start blaming them and criticizing them for the choice (if they make the choice you point to). The same applies to Egypt, Syria, Yemen and Libya.
You are already complaining about something that does not exist yet. It means that your deepest wish is to have such a situation so that your mental model of "bad terrorist arabs" continue to survive and gives you, in your eyes, the legitimity of your anti-arab racism.
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Re: Israel - Palestine - Part 2

The palestinians have already 2 states, automomic to a very large degree:

Gaza - badly run by Hamas (Islamo Fascists)
West Bank - badly run by Fatah (terrified that Hamas will take over).

Assuming they will succesfully run a country once "free" from Israel is über-naive. I'm sorry if reality offends you.

You want Israel to risk Israeli lives by allowing an openly violent, racist regime to take over WB&G. thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather be called Racist by someone who thinks the MB will run Egypt better than Mubarak and that Netanyahu is a Hamas supporter.

One of the big differences between the Israel and Egyptian demonstrations is that if the Israelis are not happy with their government they can vote for another one. the Egyptians are still not able to do so, much less all the other aran countries.
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Perhaps because this is the Israel- Palestine thread
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Israel "walks like an egyptian". It all
Huge demonstration for more justice shows how Israel is also affected by the "Arab spring" ripple effect.
I wonder where the "paradise" described by Pashosh is when 300'000 go in the street to ask for more justice.
There was something abut this on NPR the situation is kind of screwed up-the settlers in the occupied territories, who are trying to hijack the movement:

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Netanyahu's government is announcing more building in the West Bank settlements. Protesters say there is already too much of a focus on settlement construction. Israel today spends 15 percent of its budget building for settlers, though less than 4 percent of Israelis live in them.

FRENKEL: Among the latest to join are Jewish settlers from the occupied West Bank. They said they wanted to show solidarity with the protesters and that they, too, suffer from the high cost of housing. The settlers want the government to solve the housing issue by expanding the settlements. And they have secured the backing of 42 members of the Knesset, Israel's parliament. But the arrival of the settlers incensed Assi Rothbard(ph) , who has been living in the protest camp for the past week with his three young children.

ASSI ROTHBARD: They are doing the smartest thing that they can do because they want to destroy the protest. So the best thing they can do is build a tent here. Because these lunatic extreme settlers, I have nothing with them.

FRENKEL: Rothbard notes that the settlers have already received subsidized housing. Figures published by Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics show that Israel spends 15 percent of its housing budget on the settlements, though less than 4 percent of Israelis live there. Haim Ramon, a liberal lawmaker, says the government spends twice as much per capita on the settlers as it does on other Israelis. Rothbard says the issue is one of priorities.

ROTHBARD: They are living on a land that not belong to them. So I do not think that they have a right to protest. And, of course, they get a lot of resources from the people who really work - the people living in Tel Aviv.
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What about all the Jews that lived in Arab countries, and were
forced to immigrate, leaving behind all their land, houses, assets, etc?

Reading in wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_...slim_countries :

In total it is estimated that 800,000 to 1,000,000 Jews were forced out or fled from their homes in Arab countries from 1948 until the early 1970s. Some place the emigration peak to a slightly earlier time window of 1944 to 1964, when some 700,000 Jews moved to Israel from Arab countries and were dispossessed of nearly their entire property.[26]
A body representing the Jewish refugees, the World Organization of Jews from Arab Countries (WOJAC) estimated in 2006, that Jewish property abandoned in Arab countries would be valued at more than $100 billion, later revising their estimate in 2007 to $300 billion. They also estimated Jewish-owned real-estate left behind in Arab lands at 100,000 square kilometers (four times the size of the state of Israel).[1][7][27][28] estimated by Sidney Zabludoff to be at minimum $700 million in period prices and $6 billion today.[7] The organization asserts that a major cause of the Jewish exodus was a deliberate policy decision taken by the Arab League.[29] In 2007, a Jewish advocacy group JJAC (Justice for Jews from Arab Countries) has too alleged that Arab League members formulated a coordinated policy to expel or force the departure of the Jewish population.[30][31][32]
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I'm really surprised right now with this development from the weekend. It's rather "Arab-spring"esque but there's no advisories not to travel to Israel right now.
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What about all the Jews that lived in Arab countries, and were
forced to immigrate, leaving behind all their land, houses, assets, etc?

Reading in wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_...slim_countries :

In total it is estimated that 800,000 to 1,000,000 Jews were forced out or fled from their homes in Arab countries from 1948 until the early 1970s. Some place the emigration peak to a slightly earlier time window of 1944 to 1964, when some 700,000 Jews moved to Israel from Arab countries and were dispossessed of nearly their entire property.[26]
A body representing the Jewish refugees, the World Organization of Jews from Arab Countries (WOJAC) estimated in 2006, that Jewish property abandoned in Arab countries would be valued at more than $100 billion, later revising their estimate in 2007 to $300 billion. They also estimated Jewish-owned real-estate left behind in Arab lands at 100,000 square kilometers (four times the size of the state of Israel).[1][7][27][28] estimated by Sidney Zabludoff to be at minimum $700 million in period prices and $6 billion today.[7] The organization asserts that a major cause of the Jewish exodus was a deliberate policy decision taken by the Arab League.[29] In 2007, a Jewish advocacy group JJAC (Justice for Jews from Arab Countries) has too alleged that Arab League members formulated a coordinated policy to expel or force the departure of the Jewish population.[30][31][32]
let's make a wikipedia ping-pong on how israel deprived arabs from their land with "laws" like the absentee property: if arab owner not there (i.e make them flee by threat like in Deir Yassin massacre) you can take land for israel.

"The absentee property law is directly linked to the controversy of parallelism between the Jewish exodus from Arab lands and the Palestinian Exodus, as advocacy groups have suggested that there are strong ties between the two processes and some of them even claim that decoupling the two issues is unjust.[127][128][129][130]"
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The palestinians have already 2 states, automomic to a very large degree:

Gaza - badly run by Hamas (Islamo Fascists)
West Bank - badly run by Fatah (terrified that Hamas will take over).

Assuming they will succesfully run a country once "free" from Israel is über-naive. I'm sorry if reality offends you.

You want Israel to risk Israeli lives by allowing an openly violent, racist regime to take over WB&G. thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather be called Racist by someone who thinks the MB will run Egypt better than Mubarak and that Netanyahu is a Hamas supporter.

One of the big differences between the Israel and Egyptian demonstrations is that if the Israelis are not happy with their government they can vote for another one. the Egyptians are still not able to do so, much less all the other aran countries.
I'm not surprised you're a big fan of Mubarak because you hate egyptian people. You spend your time here shouting about arab dictators but you're one of their biggest supporter because they are as corrupted as the israeli right-wing leadership.
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