unfortunately all your posts show clearly that you are the racist indeed.

Ad hominems are to debate what conspiracies are to history - A solution for idiots.

So is as well the eternal "if you disagree with us then you are anti-semitic" argument an argument for idiots.

Agreed. I'll give you the daily wages of a Moroccan teacher if you find any post of mine which used this argument.

The easiest 10 CHF you ever made, no ?

keep your money. You have so little knowledge about North-Africa and its situation today. You are only viewing it with the magnifying glass of 1950-1970 incidents against jews. It's as if you were still discussing about modern germany with only WWII in mind.

You call me a racist, idiot & uninformed without an iota of proof to back your claims. A decent person would apologize.

btw - Germany tried to make amends for it's history and re-joined the family of civilised nations. Can the Arabs do the same ?

Good to see we are back to civilised intellectual debate (I mean both of you, no favourites) ........

your knowledge of political situation in North-Africa is close to zero (ref. post about nothing happening in Tunisia regarding democracy, education on Shoah, anti-semitism, etc...)

- racism: your posts about arabs are crystal clear. you just need to read them again.

- About Arabs joining "civilised nations": they will do it together with Israel when they come to peace together. Israel is still among the "barbarians".

You failed to find a single factual error in my posts. If you are offended by facts, don't shoot the messenger.

Dear Ottomans: please come back, all is forgiven.

Cheers,

Giaouristan.

Read again about your factual error on situation in Tunisia.

Careful - Ergogan is likely to take you seriously.

Talking on the streets without any action is not a democracy. Once a democratically elected regime is changed via fair elections you may begin to call Tunisia that.

Considering that the Islamists are leading in the polls, I wouldn't hold my breath.

you believe polls in a "not democratic yet" country? You use flawed logic and arguments in an unfair way to push your opinion.

Hi,

I rarely hand out groans but please keep it sorta civil otherwise stones start flying and poor old mods have to start getting frowny.

As for the comment about mods impartiality, we generally step in with a mod hat in such threads only when a poster forgets the plot or seems to be with an agenda. As this thread serves little purpose for 99% of our Users, it takes a bit of effort on our side to even bother reading such meandering themes.

Perhaps consideration of what's ahead rather than what happened eight decades ago may be more constructive.

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Following Uncle Max's suggestion I will try to look forward:
1.The Islamists in Tunisia, Egypt and very likely other Arab countries are the most organized political force.
2. Such forces usually win (see the Bolsheviks in the Russian revolution).

My conclusion:

Islamists will have a lot of political power and will not tolerate any "democracy" which will threaten their rule. See Hamas in Gaza/Hizbullah in Lebanon/Iranian Mullahs.

What you did not integrate in your analysis:
1) Tunisia is a secular country where women's right were introduced already in 1956 by giving them right to divorce, to work, to own independently from men. Polygamy is forbidden in Tunisia since 1956. Women represent about 49% of population and won't let islamist take their privileges.
2) The islamist party in Tunisia (Ennahdha) unlike in Egypt is using Turkey as reference. So it's a moderate flavour we are talking about. it has nothing to do with Hizbullah and Hamas. Read on wikipedia their last declarations about their vision. Of course we need to check it back once voting has taken place on 23rd Oct. 2011

So I think the case in Tunisia will be different from your conclusion. For Egypt, I don't have the deep knowledge to make a conclusion.

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Iran was also a secular country in 1979. I wonder how many of the women in the video share your optimism



The "Turkish model" is highly over valued - for a democracy, they hold more journalists in jail than Iran. And have yet to lose an election.

I thought you'll look more to the future and less to the past?

Iran is not Tunisia, shi'a is not sunnite you can't compare apples with oranges. Countries have different socio-demographic backgrounds and profiles (education level, fertility rate, etc...). I suspect the Turkish model will have some strong influence in the middle-east anyway.

While I realize what you refer to, your "argument" is zero in two ways. The North African Jews defacto WERE+ARE "Arabic speaking", and the Sephardis were NOT of a different race than the local Muslims and Christians.

If you when talking about the "kicking out" refer to what came after 1948 and to a minor extent 1967, I would rather refer to an "idiotic hysteric" action. I however know an Israeli of Egyptian origin who went out of Egypt in 1958 (to Italy first for many years) who told me that his being a Jew was a rather minor problem, that the increasing communist aspects of the Nasser regime however was a major problem, not only to him but for many of his Muslim and Christians friends alike.

Not unique. The Nasser, Sadat, Mohieddeen group in the 1950ies far too much saw the Soviet Union as a viable alternative to the "West".

You may DISlike it, but the, to quote a British leader, "unsinkable aircraft carrier of us in the Middle East" was not exactly an advertisement for the West