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Old 02.12.2009, 18:20
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It was significantly watered down, but the anti-nakba law was still passed. No organisation which receives government funding is allowed to hold memorial events for the remembrance of the Palestinian tragedy. It may seem logical to you that Arabs living in Israel shouldn't be allowed to feel solidarity with their families on the other side of the fence, but it is nevertheless a serious contravention of their rights as Israeli citizens.
Would you support government funding for people mourning the loss of Germany in WW2 in the UK?
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Old 02.12.2009, 18:34
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Would you support government funding for people mourning the loss of Germany in WW2 in the UK?
Of course not, but what possible parallels could there be between the fall of the third Reich and the mass expulsion of 3/4 million Palestinians from their homes?
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Old 02.12.2009, 18:46
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We are talking about a country that wanted to send its Arab citizens to jail for remembering the Nakba (Expulsion of Palestinians from their lands)??
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It was significantly watered down, but the anti-nakba law was quietly passed. No organization which receives government funding is allowed to hold memorial events for the remembrance of the Palestinian tragedy. It may seem logical to you that Arabs living in Israel should not be allowed to feel solidarity with their families on the other side of the fence, but it is nevertheless a serious contravention of their rights as Israeli citizens.
Nobody is prevented from remembering anything, it's not that kind of state. The parallels are clear on a law and order front: it would effect public order and likely get way too heated. Clearly, there are the hard core who'd happily see complete denial of anybody's ways but their own, but alhamdullah it's not at that stage on this issue.

Crikey, even in Switzerland Muslims aren't allowed minarets for fear of political ambition I don't see how it could be a contravention of Rights to be told not to openly 'remember', along with the protests and inevitable trouble it would arouse. That's not to say one is unsympathetic to Remembrance itself. Not that the comparison is valid, but I'm sure Israelis in the Sinai would be prevented from Remembering 1967. State control on such matters is an necessary evil.
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Old 02.12.2009, 19:12
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Of course not, but what possible parallels could there be between the fall of the third Reich and the mass expulsion of 3/4 million Palestinians from their homes?

They both lost a war which they initiated and now have to deal with the consequences?
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Old 02.12.2009, 21:26
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It was significantly watered down, but the anti-nakba law was quietly passed. No organization which receives government funding is allowed to hold memorial events for the remembrance of the Palestinian tragedy. It may seem logical to you that Arabs living in Israel should not be allowed to feel solidarity with their families on the other side of the fence, but it is nevertheless a serious contravention of their rights as Israeli citizens.
Back pedalling - From claiming Israel "wants" to jail Nakba commemorators, to denying public funding to them.

Of course arabs who are fortunate enough to be Israeli citizens feel solidarity with their bretheren across the arbitrary border. Not enough solidarity to want to become Palestinian citizens (even if they get to stay where they are), or even employ them on fair conditions (West bank palestinians are exploited by Israeli palestinians). If they wish to remember the Nakba as private citizens, they are free to do so.

Any jew in an Arab country who will show solidarity with Israel will suffer terrible consequences.
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Old 02.12.2009, 21:30
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Of course not, but what possible parallels could there be between the fall of the third Reich and the mass expulsion of 3/4 million Palestinians from their homes?
Check your facts - many of the Arab refugees never saw a Jewish soldier in 1948 or heard a shot fired in anger.

No Germans are allowed back to the Czech republic - yet they don't blow up German buses.
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Any jew in an Arab country who will show solidarity with Israel will suffer terrible consequences.
Oh sure, like becoming a member of the Advising Council for the King of Morocco ? Terrible
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(Originally by Pashosh)--- Any jew in an Arab country who will show solidarity with Israel will suffer terrible consequences.
That's a very nasty threat Pashosh, you only like Israeli Jews? What are you going to do to them?
Your biggest threat is Iran- plenty of Jews living there.
So Israel might bomb Iran to halt their nuclear program because Israel doesn't want anyone else getting what they have. The Iran blockades the straits of Hormuz and causes an economic crisis to turn into pandemonium. In the meantime Iran rebuilds. Why not just accept what is on the table, stop trying to claim the whole of Jerusalem and withdraw from the settlements or do a land swap.


You Pashosh seem to think that you are of a superior race entitled to land just because your scriptures say so.
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There is a Jewish prayer saying: “Bless you, Lord, that you created me a Jew, that you separated between Jews and the earth folks, like you separated between the Holy and Profane, that our fate is not like their fate”.
Is this true? I do not believe that any religion is above any other, that we are all equal.

Guess what, many Jews are supporting Muslims in their right to build minarets. I think that we should all look to that to guide us.

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Old 05.12.2009, 17:48
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Oh sure, like becoming a member of the Advising Council for the King of Morocco ? Terrible
Morocco's Jewish population:
1948 : 265,000
2008: 4000-6000

Zionism banned by law.

The phrase "fig leaf" for a jewish "adviser" to the king seems to be appropriate.

Morroco is one of the more tolerant Muslim countries - situation is worse in most other Arab countries.
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Old 05.12.2009, 18:29
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Morocco's Jewish population:
1948 : 265,000
2008: 4000-6000
That statistic tells us absolutely nothing, the majority of Moroccan Jews left for Israel in the same manner as those from London, Paris and New York i.e. to help in the creation a fledgling Jewish state.
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Old 05.12.2009, 18:31
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So Israel might bomb Iran to halt their nuclear program because Israel doesn't want anyone else getting what they have.

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Israel doesn't consistently call for Iran to be wiped off the map and be " vanished from the face of time".
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Old 05.12.2009, 18:35
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Israel doesn't consistently call for Iran to be wiped off the map and be " vanished from the face of time".
God, that old canard

The inconvenient truth
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God, that old canard

The inconvenient truth

Forgive me, he only called for the destruction of the state of Israel.

Still ample reason to be worried about him getting his hands on nukes imho.
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That statistic tells us absolutely nothing, the majority of Moroccan Jews left for Israel in the same manner as those from London, Paris and New York i.e. to help in the creation a fledgling Jewish state.
Do you really believe that jews in Morocco were treated the same as in post WW2 europe? If so, may I recommend Dubai as a reliable, corruption-free investment.

You may also be interested to discover that many of those emigrating went to France, where they are the majority of French Jewry.

Iran - globalresearch.ca is hardly a reliable source. but lack of credibilty never bothered you before.
In any case: Iran's beligerence towards Israel is well documented and was discussed before on the Isr-Pal thread.
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Old 05.12.2009, 23:04
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Honest answer Pashosh- do you believe that Israeli jews are superior to others. Is the prayer that I quoted real or fake?
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Forgive me, he only called for the destruction of the state of Israel.

Still ample reason to be worried about him getting his hands on nukes imho.
And ample reason for Israel not to have had them in the first place-they only upped the ante. Israel is the one planning to bomb Iran.

But, well, they have been threatening that for years:

TIMES London 2007

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1290331.ece

So when will they do it?

I've heard that Bolton is your man

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http://motherjones.com/politics/2009...ould-nuke-iran

Bolton or Michael Ledeen?



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Do you really believe that jews in Morocco were treated the same as in post WW2 europe? If so, may I recommend Dubai as a reliable, corruption-free investment.

You may also be interested to discover that many of those emigrating went to France, where they are the majority of French Jewry.

Iran - globalresearch.ca is hardly a reliable source. but lack of credibilty never bothered you before.
In any case: Iran's beligerence towards Israel is well documented and was discussed before on the Isr-Pal thread.
Pashosh: A good book for you to read would be "They Dare to Speak Out" By Senator Finlay. And "USS liberty" . Very reliable stuff
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Pashosh, you are right and score major point I did misread your mind. I took you for someone who could be reasoned with. clearly you are not to be reasoned with, I aplogize for the misjudgement on my part and will not comment on any of your posts in future.
Please keep your promise.

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Old 06.12.2009, 13:50
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Ahem, let's keep our manners, everyone. Thank you.
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Old 06.12.2009, 17:10
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Please keep your promise.

Trolls will not be fed.
You won't answer it Pashosh, therefore I assume that you do think that Israeli Jews are superior to all others and that prayer is real. If you do believe it then you are a racist of the the most dangerous kind. You downerbuzz grain at me for stating that we are all equal so I take it that you are of the same mind as Pashosh.
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