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Old 05.11.2009, 01:04
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Israel - Palestine - Part 2

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It was British!

So the Arabs that lived there must have been better off.

Stands to reason, dunnit?
Aye! Makes me wonder how things would have been if it was an American Mandate.

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.. I guess that the logic is give them guns so that they can fight to have their own water back.
Iran (Shia ruled) is arming Hizbollah (Lebanese Shia) to give Palestinians (mostly Sunni, ever decreasing Christian population) their water ?
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Old 05.11.2009, 01:28
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Iran (Shia ruled) is arming Hizbollah (Lebanese Shia) to give Palestinians (mostly Sunni, ever decreasing Christian population) their water ?
Why not?there is nothing like a common enemy to enable people to band together.

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Israeli officials said yesterday that Hamas had tested a rocket with a range of 60 kilometers, enabling it to reach from Gaza to the Tel Aviv metropolitan area. “This is the type of weapon that could not be made in Gaza, and had to be brought in from outside,” Kam said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aGpKirues6c8

So where did Gaza get those from?

What Israel do not want at any cost is that the Arabs and Iranians band together against them. They have to play the Arabs and Iranians off against each other.

Remember what happened in Iran with the Quds Day demonstrations? With the new movement J street in the US I think that there is hope.
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The Palestinians, many of whom even for a while trusted the in fact ANTI-Palestinian Hussein al-Takriti, might better realize yesterday, that Iran and Hizbullah are not anti-Israeli in order to help the Palestinians, but only to secure the Iranian foothold on the Levantine coastline. And the Hizbullah fans in Lebanon might better realize yesterday that the Iranians just use them as a tool (nothing to do with religion in reality) to bring the old Persian-Iranian dream of a Persian role in the Mediterranean into reality
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The Palestinians, many of whom even for a while trusted the in fact ANTI-Palestinian Hussein al-Takriti, might better realize yesterday, that Iran and Hizbullah are not anti-Israeli in order to help the Palestinians, but only to secure the Iranian foothold on the Levantine coastline. And the Hizbullah fans in Lebanon might better realize yesterday that the Iranians just use them as a tool (nothing to do with religion in reality) to bring the old Persian-Iranian dream of a Persian role in the Mediterranean into reality
Good summary; you only have to see how Iran treats Sunnis within their own borders to understand their aims for Palestine.

& what at first looked like an April Fool jape seems to be real "Richard Goldstone, the Chief Investigator of the UN Human Rights Council’s investigation into war crimes and violations by Israel and Hamas during Israel’s 2008-9 invasion of Gaza, created a diplomatic stir when he published an op-ed entitled “Reconsidering the Goldstone Report on Israeli War Crimes”."
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Re: Israel - Palestine, when will it end

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So the Arabs that lived there must have been better off.

Stands to reason, dunnit?
It was Turkish before that - it must have been great
And Mameluk before that - like Disneyland & St. moritz roleld into one
not to mention the Crusaders...
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It was Turkish before that - it must have been great
And Mameluk before that - like Disneyland & St. moritz roleld into one
not to mention the Crusaders...
OH yea where were the Jews ???
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Old 05.11.2009, 01:46
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The chrisitans are getting it from both the Muslims and Israelis Jews, but mosty it seems the Israeli Jews. Their numbers have reduced from 40% during the British mandate to just 5%. Shouldn't they then be allowed to have their own state? This is after all their land too?

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large number of prominent Palestinians that are Christian, including Hanan Ashrawi, Emile Habibi, the late Edward Said, Elia Suleiman, Atallah Mansour, Azmi Bishara, Anis Shorrosh[8], Nayef Hawatmeh, Rifat Odeh Kassis and activist Raymonda Tawil, who is also the mother of Yassir Arafat's wife Suha.[9] The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine was founded in 1967 by Palestinian Christian George Habash.[10] The current Palestinian Ambassador to the United States, Afif Saffieh, is also from a Christian family. However, the Christians were also often found in the more affluent segments of Palestinian society that fled or were expelled from the country during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War; in West Jerusalem, over 50% of Christian Palestinians lost their homes to the advancing Israeli army, according to the historian Sami Hadawi. [11]
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OH yea where were the Jews ???
I think Pashsosh slipped up there, let's be fair the Jews have been there for a very long time just like the all the others. They are even genetically very similar!
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Re: Israel - Palestine, when will it end

for some of you who don’t read history, or he did read a fake history made by uncle SAM, simply Israeli occupied Palestine , when the British prime minster promised all the Jewish ( at that time there was nothing called Israel) he promised them to give them a land.
Of course at that time most of the Arabic countries were under the occupation of France – England – Italy , they started sending Jewish from all over England and Europe, by ships to Palestine, taking away houses and lands and throwing people in the street killing right and left , the conflict developed until what it is now. Scary right? But I am sorry to say that what really happened , imagine if it just happened to any if you, imagine anyone come to your house take it away from you and kill your parents, what would you feel, what would you do?

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throwing people in the street killing right and left , the conflict developed until what it is now. Scary right? But I am sorry to say that what really happened , imagine if it just happened to any if you, imagine anyone come to your house take it away from you and kill your parents, what would you feel, what would you do?
That's not really what happened. There were Jewish terrorist groups at the time which commited atrocities but we should be careful about attribution here. Many Palestinians left spontaneously during the 1948 and Six Day War, and importantly, pre-1948 (and after as well) the place which is now Israel wasn't quite as it is now. Malarial swamps littered the landscape and there was precious little economy to speak of. Moreover there was in fact never a land called "Palestine", it's been occupied by various Muslim civilisations from the Abbasid Caliphate to the Ottomans and by the pre-Islam Persian empire. While Israeli Arabs enjoy the highest standard of living and the most extensive rights in the entire middle east, and while the current State of Israel is yet another national incarnation of an incredibly dynamic strip of land, the Arab world seems to have such a problem. It seems to be an easy scapegoat, far easier than demonising the Ottomans, who are brothers of religion.

Anyway, of course both sides are at fault, but this sort of seemingly sensical response should be examined carefully.
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Old 08.11.2009, 23:29
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Re: Israel - Palestine, when will it end

[quote=economisto;603428]That's not really what happened. There were Jewish terrorist groups at the time which commited atrocities but we should be careful about attribution here. Many Palestinians left spontaneously during the 1948 and Six Day War, and importantly, pre-1948 (and after as well) the place which is now Israel wasn't quite as it is now. Malarial swamps littered the landscape and there was precious little economy to speak of.

Also called watershed
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Re: Israel - Palestine, when will it end

What I find interesting is that there are hundreds of human watch groups within Israel-- all of which are monitoring Israeli military crimes and publishing them worldwide. However, I never hear of any groups that publishe offenses within the Palestinian territories, are there any? Also, what about all the Palestinians in awful conditions around the HUGE Arab world, why don`t we hear huge outcries about their actions? It seems like a very clever tactic by the Arab dictatorships-- keep the attention regarding the plight of the Palestinians on Israel and not on what is happening with Palestinian refuges in Arab countries. One can`t forget that Israel is about 1/3 to 1/4 of the size of Switzerland (depending on the what one includes as Israel) and that this is the only country in the world in which Jewdaism is the main religion.
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As an observer it is very difficult to get a permit to enter Gaza.

First step is to solve the problem for Palestenians in their home country so that refugees can return.
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f...they started sending Jewish from all over England and Europe, by ships to Palestine, taking away houses and lands and throwing people in the street killing right and left , the conflict developed until what it is now... imagine if it just happened to any if you, imagine anyone come to your house take it away from you and kill your parents, what would you feel, what would you do?
My parents had their houses taken away, their families killed by the Nazis during the war. I understand what you would do, but neither the gypsies nor the jews have ever gone into German supermarkets to blow themselves up.

Unfortunately your own knowledge of history seems a little sketchy. No-one "started sending" jews to Israel. European jews started migrating to the land of their forefathers in the 19th century, coming to a desolate land almost bereft of people (as attested to by Mark Twain in "Innocents Abroad"). According to the careful population figures of the Ottoman Empire, in 1882 the total population of the land between the Jordan and the Sea was less than 250,000 – in an area that today supports ten million people, Israelis and Palestinians. The resettlement of the sparsely populated Holy Land by the descendants of its ancient inhabitants, however, did not take place solely in the modern era. Throughout Jewish history, waves of returnees came back to the sacred soil of their ancestors.

And what about the Arab residents? The majority of thiose living in Mandate Palestine in 1948 had themselves migrated there because of the economic boom wrought by the Jewish migrants. There were no "Palestinians" except the Jews who carried Palestinian passports issued by the British. The Arabs refused to hold Palestinian passports because they considered themselves to be Arabs, not Palestians.

The Palestinians as they now call themselves do not seem to have any interest in peace; the Gaza government says openly that it now controls Gaza - and the next step is to control the whole of Israel.
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dont wait and dont expect anything of Obama, he already refused the report of goldstone, ha
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i hope we not gonna miss the "Peaceful World" one day... (worry)
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1126594.html

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How does this tie in with Fayyad resigning, I am not sure that I understand, how this will play out.
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How does this tie in with Fayyad resigning, I am not sure that I understand, how this will play out.

Abbas is the one resigning
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