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While I don't doubt that technology will keep up, what are you going to end up with as we slowly creep over every useable bit of land. Even if technology does keep up, if population keeps growing we will eventually hit a wall, even if it's not in the forseeable future.

What is this wall you speak of? As far as I've heard the universe is expanding
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Good education and Wisdom on ways of survival and living a good life.
It'll be harder and harder to get education in a overcrowded world.
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Old 10.12.2009, 10:55
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Re: Humanity, nice to have known you.

We discussed it other threads like:
What is biggest threat to human/earth?

Unfortunately there are still many who think, there is no limit on amount of humans, which even Malthus correctly recognized ages ago, and this fact influenced Darwin a lot in introducing Evolution theory.
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Oil is the one and only energy source on or off this planet with enough power to just about sustain the current level of population
At what currently can be considered an acceptable cost. Alternatives that springs to mind are nuclear (here today), osmotic power (under development, cost can probably be brought down to that of wind power and a lot more stable), and a whole bunch of other things. Battery technology is making some very interesting progress that would allow for different properties to current battery technology (eg faster charging).

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peak oil
As this is fairly well recognised as a scenario we need to prepare for, new energy production technologies are intensively researched and developed both academically and commercially.

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agricultural yields will fall
Only if we stick to the pastoral view of farming.

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just ask Nestlé why they want to purchase African and south American water reserves
I won't ask them (I do not think they would bother to reply), but given that they are a for-profit corporation, my guess is that they see a profit potential as fresh water is likely to become a scarce resource. However, that profit margin coupled with an anticipation of cheaper and more abundant energy will make desalination an attractive alternative for fresh water for various types of use.
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(the last James Bond movie was not too far fetched), also the ongoing landgrab in the third world by western society's multi's shows that the key players are already jostling for position in the endgame.
Pushing global conspiracy theories is not going to help getting your worries noticed in a serious manner.
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What is this wall you speak of? As far as I've heard the universe is expanding
Well yes, utlimately we could be reaching out to the stars. In the grander scheme of things, earth is doomed anyway, so at some point we'll have to leave.

Is there some sort of moores law for tech versus population provided? That tech will keep up with population? And I don't mean in the way that population will naturally keep up with tech in that people die if they don't have it.
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Old 10.12.2009, 11:02
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Re: Humanity, nice to have known you.

We could do this thing, we could make humanity really work, find our place in the scheme of things. We could find out how to get planetary management implemented, in short have a future filled with "flowering landscapes" (thanks for that Mr. Kohl)
Sorry sarcasm aside, Yes! It could work. But can you really imaging humans getting along with each other on the scale needed to do it?
I do not think is is possible, we are still far to tribal a species for that to happen ever since humans started to bang the rocks together it has always been the case of "our tribe Yeh! Your tribe Boo!
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It'll be harder and harder to get education in a overcrowded world.
Modern "schools" only developed few decades ago. One can always teach one's wisdom and experiences to their off springs and anyone who is interested in.

I think you need to clarify first, the differences/concepts of wisdom, intelligence, education, literacy and knowledge.

I surely cannot "award" someone a world recognised piece of paper i.e. "Degree" but I can surely teach what I know for practical purposes.
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Well yes, utlimately we could be reaching out to the stars. In the grander scheme of things, earth is doomed anyway, so at some point we'll have to leave.
I like your "Optimism"

Earth is not doomed, theres still plenty the planet can offer, you just need to see through all techy gadgets of modern life.
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Re: Humanity, nice to have known you.

If you really think about our purpose as humans on this planet and the whole point of evolution beyond Darwin, then it's fairly clear that our only future is in the colonization of other life supporting planets. The reason we are becoming more intelligent in technology, yet wasting more and more natural resources is surely a sign that the Earth is a raw material commodity that we are tapping into in our quest to escape this planet before our sun implodes (or explodes) which will give us less than a week before all life dies.

Everyone scorns NASA for spending money and using resources on research and especially funding a reusable space vehicle, but we are creating the foundations of future space travel and this will be the only way for mankind to survive when life on Earth ceases to be. (By the way - I don't think that everyone will be getting a ticket when the final inter-planetary craft blasts out of our atmosphere, war will be inevitable...).
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Well yes, utlimately we could be reaching out to the stars. In the grander scheme of things, earth is doomed anyway, so at some point we'll have to leave.

Is there some sort of moores law for tech versus population provided? That tech will keep up with population? And I don't mean in the way that population will naturally keep up with tech in that people die if they don't have it.
personally I feel that technology moves with a dependance on population. Breakthroughs and paradigm shifts will occur with time, population and requirement.

Historically this is a fairly common trend. Predicting such shifts? Near impossible, if you can, you will be a very rich successful and famous person.
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Re: Humanity, nice to have known you.

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But there are guys like Castro, who teach only what they know, and don't teach what he knows.

Just tell you an example. Egypt's population was estimated at only 3 million 200 years ago and now passed 80 mil. and roaring ahead. How can you guaranty education,knowledge,literacy, food,.. for their future?
Imagine something goes wrong with already overused and polluted Nile, and then they can only pray for their god to save them.
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There is no bigger threat to Human well being than stupidity and greed of the few.
Ehm, isn't this the whole point of the OP ? Replace 'human' with everyone on this earth and 'the few' with people in the 1st world (i.e. us) to arrive at a good summary of the OP's statement

But, my $0.02, humankind will adapt to the new situation, we've always done that and will continue doing so. I cannot imagine humankind dying out as long as there are cute women around (just my personal oppinion)
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Hi MathNut, as to current levels of technology, I think that they are the pinnacle, nothing better that what we have now will be invented or developed and all the "new technologies" for our "bright" future are just window dressing for the plebs.
Sorry are you actually being serious... what makes you think that?
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Everyone scorns NASA for spending money and using resources on research and especially funding a reusable space vehicle, but we are creating the foundations of future space travel and this will be the only way for mankind to survive when life on Earth ceases to be. (By the way - I don't think that everyone will be getting a ticket when the final inter-planetary craft blasts out of our atmosphere, war will be inevitable...).
Without going into an argument about Evolution and near impossibilities of "Space Travel" ... just from an economic point of view.

If we need to "spend money" on developing means of inhabiting space or other planets, dont you think it will require a fractional amount of those "funds" to develop better means of irrigation and food distribution?

I mean Food Shortages have more to do with Distribution, rather than actual Supply/yield.

How much of Grains and other produce are dumped in ocean, burnt to keep the prices up?
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Old 10.12.2009, 11:16
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Re: Humanity, nice to have known you.

Technology shifts and breakthroughs can be observed to be occurring at a rapidly increading frequency (also required for economic revival) and parallels the growth of cities. However, soon we will hit a singularity. What happens here will be interesting. Does our civilisation go stale, collapse, or do we radically change our ways?

We also have the issue of spiralling health care expectations/costs.

At current trends, we will hit the carrying capacity of the earth by around 2050.

Toss in climate change, depletion of oil, scarcity of fresh water, ...

What is certain is that the whole world can't live like we do in the West. Although not accepted by many, this is true of us in the West too.

Which will break us first, no one can predict. And of course, there will be countless wars when things get tough, the first probably for water. One could imagine the US invading Canada for water rather than for oil.
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Earth is not doomed, theres still plenty the planet can offer, you just need to see through all techy gadgets of modern life.
It is, it will eventually be swallowed by our sun, albeit billions of years from now.
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Ehm, isn't this the whole point of the OP ? Replace 'human' with everyone on this earth and 'the few' with people in the 1st world (i.e. us) to arrive at a good summary of the OP's statement
You cannot blame everyone in 1st world, most people in 1st world are Economic Factors of Production themselves. We dont even OWN our homes in the 1st world.

The way it works is, you have a few in each country, 3rd world, who suck up the resources, up to the 1st world. Then in 1st world its sucked up again to the wealthy few.

In simple terms, present day world economics is about Oil and Gadgets for food and industrial raw material.. and it again goes in circle.
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I mean Food Shortages have more to do with Distribution, rather than actual Supply/yield.

How much of Grains and other produce are dumped in ocean, burnt to keep the prices up?
Peanuts compared to below horrendously raising counters :
http://www.worldometers.info/
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It is, it will eventually be swallowed by our sun, albeit billions of years from now.
Dooms day or Day of Judgement perhaps?

The day it will be swallowed up by sun, it will cause a chain reaction in the universe and there wont be any place left to inhibit safely, I think. So that would be an unnecessary worry.
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But there are guys like Castro, who teach only what they know, and don't teach what he knows.

Just tell you an example. Egypt's population was estimated at only 3 million 200 years ago and now passed 80 mil. and roaring ahead. How can you guaranty education,knowledge,literacy, food,.. for their future?
Imagine something goes wrong with already overused and polluted Nile, and then they can only pray for their god to save them.
I know... a mean git he is

Nobody can guarantee anything. But another example Russia has been self sufficient in Food Production, but lately its rural population (the new generation) is heading towards the cities for office jobs, nobody wants to work on the farm no more, which is causing Food shortage.

Do you know how many eggs a female Frog (not French) lay at one time? If they were ALL to hatch and survive we would be all run over by frogs by now.

There is always a universal balance. When populations grow, too many struggling too few things, we are heading on a war path and eliminate ourselves.
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