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Dooms day or Day of Judgement perhaps?
You know I don't believe that crap.

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The day it will be swallowed up by sun, it will cause a chain reaction in the universe and there wont be any place left to inhibit safely, I think. So that would be an unnecessary worry.
Uhmmm, no, will stay on topic.
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Peanuts compared to below horrendously raising counters :
http://www.worldometers.info/
Hahaha... interesting!

That is just one side of the picture. Point is there is STILL enough space on the world today to accomodate us, unless we all want to squeeze into NY, London or Zurich.
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You know I don't believe that crap.
Its not crap, you said it yourself!

Maybe you dont like the terms... call it Dooms Day, Judgement Day or Heat Death of Universe
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I know... a mean git he is

Nobody can guarantee anything. But another example Russia has been self sufficient in Food Production, but lately its rural population (the new generation) is heading towards the cities for office jobs, nobody wants to work on the farm no more, which is causing Food shortage.
Having less people on the farm has in no way decreased food production, if anything, it's correlated to more food production, but that's more to do with mechanisation and better techniques, not a "too many cooks spoil the broth" situation.

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Do you know how many eggs a female Frog (not French) lay at one time? If they were ALL to hatch and survive we would be all run over by frogs by now.

There is always a universal balance. When populations grow, too many struggling too few things, we are heading on a war path and eliminate ourselves.
I don't get this, you seem to both say overpopulation is and isn't a problem.

No it's not a problem in that it will auto correct, or yes it's a problem because it will auto correct.
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There is always a universal balance. When populations grow, too many struggling too few things, we are heading on a war path and eliminate ourselves.
And this is exactly what we wise human should avoid!
Better to prevent or let nature do it by chopping billions heads off!??
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Its not crap, you said it yourself!

Maybe you dont like the terms... call it Dooms Day, Judgement Day or Heat Death of Universe
I don't believe it in the sense you portray it, as a divinely ordained thing.
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I really like this kind of thread, a great discussion on a polarizing theme, thanks all.
Hi Geekosaurus, I won't do the quote and paste thingy but your arguments deserve a good answer, I'll do my best.
Taking everything in account nuclear power needs almost the same amount of oil to keep running as the power produced by splitting the atom, the netto power output balance is just enough in favor of nuke to justify the running of a nuke plant, not taken into account is the management of the ionizing waste! Adding to that peak uranium will be here before peak oil hits, (I worked in Gundremingen for a time).
Osmosing technologies like fuelcells are not a energy source but a energy carrier, the power has to be produces first, It could have worked if the will had been there to use solar to power hydrogen production in earths deserts, have a look at Dubai to see how the resource "money“ has been wasted it also says a lot about the intelligence of our species.
Peak oil will hit period! We can chose it to hit hard or we can end our little flirt with a enlightened civilization gracefully.
As for new technologies? What new technologies? We need the incentive to develop them, thing is all new technologies need a sea of oil to build, have a look at the stock exchange market for "new technologies"
And then there is: I will copy-paste here..
Chevron $6,485,000 
Exxon Mobil $4,657,000 
BP America $4,270,000 
ConocoPhillips $3,300,000 
American Petroleum Institute $2,120,000 
Marathon Oil Corporation $2,110,000 
Peabody Investments Corp $1,110,000 
Bituminous Coal Operators Association $980,000
Shell Oil Company $950,000 
Arch Coal, Inc $940,000 
Williams Companies $920,000 
Flint Hills Resources $820,000 
Occidental Petroleum Corporation $794,000 
National Mining Association $770,000 
American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity $714,000 
Devon Energy $695,000 Sunoco $585,000 
Independent Petroleum Association of America $434,000 
Murphy Oil USA, Inc $430,000 
Peabody Energy $420,000 
Rio Tinto Services, Inc $394,000 
America's Natural Gas Alliance $300,000 
Interstate Natural Gas Association of America $290,000 
El Paso Corporation $261,000 Spectra Energy $279,000 
National Propane Gas Association $242,000 
National Petrochemical & Refiners Association $240,000 
Nexen, Inc $230,000 
Denbury Resources $200,000 
Nisource, Inc $180,000 
Petroleum Marketers Association of America $170,000 
Valero Energy Corporation $160,000 
Bituminous Coal Operators Association $131,000 
Natural Gas Supply Association $114,000 
Tesoro Companies $119,000
Here are the environmental groups that spent more than $100,000:
Environmental Defense Action Fund $937,500 
Nature Conservancy $650,000 
Natural Resources Defense Council $277,000 
Earthjustice Legal Defense Fund $243,000 
National Parks and Conservation Association $175,000 
Sierra Club $120,000 
Defenders of Wildlife $120,000 
Environmental Defense Fund $100,000
I should have become a Lobbyist...
Even with free energy for desalination available the waste is a first class marine pollutant and just not feasible on the gigantic scale necessary.
Sadly the landgrab is not a conspiracy:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...rica-land-grab
http://www.stopcorporateabuse.org/at...bottling-plant
These are just a few examples of what the multis have in store for us.I would really like to take a positive stand on our future but reality shows us a bright future will not be for us to decide.
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Having less people on the farm has in no way decreased food production, if anything, it's correlated to more food production, but that's more to do with mechanisation and better techniques, not a "too many cooks spoil the broth" situation.
Totally

How can abandoned farms produce more food?

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I don't get this, you seem to both say overpopulation is and isn't a problem.

No it's not a problem in that it will auto correct, or yes it's a problem because it will auto correct.
Its not a problem, maybe it is time and location specific but not Universally speaking... and even if it becomes a problem, it will Auto correct.
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And this is exactly what we wise human should avoid!
Better to prevent or let nature do it by chopping billions heads off!??
Errr... its not nature chopping heads off, its human short sightedness and greed.

We dont want to share, we want to accumalate.
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I don't believe it in the sense you portray it, as a divinely ordained thing.
Hahaha... I know, just messin with you

But atleast we agree on the "ordained" bit
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Then there is our real tragedy. Those of us lucky to have been born here in the "advanced western society" are in the best place for survival,
Usual bullsh*t, western are guilty, poor africans, blablabla...

I'm surprised there's not even a new CHARITY for giving to poor eastern victims.


Typical "narrow minded, scenario catastrophe, guilt victims, give cr@p".


1) charity trap, FASHION time, for buying yourself a conscience:
- the Olympics JO crap with TIBET: who gives again now? NO ONE. Not fashionnable anymore. But I still heard many female and idiots barking and suffering FOR tibets victims, pooooor theeeem HAAAAAA my life is ruiiiined I suffer with theeeem!
- Who cared about the 9 other countries at the time who were also suffering dictatorship, starvation, etc? No one. Who cares? not fashionnable.

2)Rwanda. In France, around 1995, loads and loads of charity boxes to give to Rwanda people, in need. Result? Out of fashion, money went to support war, country still in many problems (instability, starvation, etc...)

3) Publication on how many money from charity are actually going to some people's pockets: really believable, I've even seen myself a few of this money trap.

4) are we better than "not western rich country"? is our way of life best? YOu seems to spread the idea that we are lucky to be here, is humanity about having an ITURD phone? Or can we enjoy being in a less developed country with nice village life, etc...? Interesting debate, but it's not even possible: it's BAD anything else and they are poor victims

5) Poor countries: richer human beings are some cheiks, arabs, etc... Even in Nigeria money is in hands of a few only: they could distribute to their country, but no, it's the European guilty people who are responsible for the situation and who need to give them through charities.

6) Propaganda: those stupid adverts created to make you (or ladies or old woman) feel guilty, for example those dumbs advert with a poor african kid looking at you in school who had no money. Nice sad music, nice effects, looking at you, etc... Propaganda from the media.

7) How can you predict the future and evolution? If ice melting, and water going up, they will be MORE WATER in africa, More crops, etc... Yes big screw up, we did influence the climate a lot, but we're not even SURE it will change like it is. It will evolved, for sure, as it always been! But no, we're still bad western people and poor eastern victims.
We don't know how it will evolve and how it will advantage some countries!


8) Wake up we're only a few percent of the wolrd, chineses and Indians are the MOST percent of people, are we also responsible for it? are they not guilty?
Maybe they need our good western way of thinking so they will feel guilty for themselves and gives us charity money!!!


Well, I leave you with your guilt, I have a life to enjoy!
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Sadly the landgrab is not a conspiracy:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...rica-land-grab
http://www.stopcorporateabuse.org/at...bottling-plant
These are just a few examples of what the multis have in store for us.I would really like to take a positive stand on our future but reality shows us a bright future will not be for us to decide.
I personally believe there are worse things happening in Africa than some companies buying land. And while I agree with your initial statement that humans are programmed to consume, you forget another natural behavior: We are pretty aggressive animals as well. I do not expect people to simply sit, wait and die while companies buy their land. The single biggest problem of Africa is instability and I see much more of that coming. The worst places to be are not the desert countries in Africa, but the resource rich and very fertile countries like for example Congo.

Peak oil is reality, given the current technology. There is plenty of oil out there that was not possible to use in the past or simply to expensive to extract. As soon as oil will get more rare, the price will rise and the "too expensive" options in oil sand and similar suddenly become economically feasible. We should use those reserves to finally build regenerative sources.

That technology does not advance is rubbish, it does in pretty much any discipline faster than ever before. The problem is, as you said as well: The incentives need to be set right by governments: Currently, people buy "average" cars that have the power of "supercars" some decades ago. If you use the same advances in technology to lower the consumption while keeping the size and power the same, where would we be? I believe the Polo Bluemotion mentioned before is easily bigger in size and more comfortable than a 1st gen VW Golf. Who has one? I do not.

I do not see the world going under or a "Mad Max" scenario coming up too soon. What I see is more and more pollution and destruction of nature which usually means that complex systems will get out of balance and sooner or later have very strong negative impacts. A lot of this is caused by the consumption of the rich, but the worst things happen because of the over population of the poorer parts.

So yes, I agree that it is a problem, but I do not at all agree that we are all doomed. And I specifically disagree that the rich nations will naturally win. AFAIK is it us being dependent on oil. Countries like Brazil are self sufficient with their rich natural resources...
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Taking everything in account nuclear power needs almost the same amount of oil to keep running as the power produced by splitting the atom, the netto power output balance is just enough in favor of nuke to justify the running of a nuke plant, not taken into account is the management of the ionizing waste!
I doubt that. I do not have the time to dig into it, but if that was the case then the nuclear industry should have died by now.

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Adding to that peak uranium will be here before peak oil hits, (I worked in Gundremingen for a time).
Sure, but there are other fissile material for which technology is being developed. IIRC we are using uranium rather than thorium because we wanted to build nukes. The waste problem is something we need to deal with properly, and it will probably mean we will have to reconsider a few holy cows.

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Osmosing technologies like fuelcells are not a energy source but a energy carrier, the power has to be produces first,
I think we are thinking of different applications. Osmotic power as I meant is harnessing the energy inherent in the process of fresh water mixing with salt water. There is an experimental plant in Norway that has good results. I first stumbled upon it by a headline number somewhere that "Each river going into the sea releases on average as much energy as a 200m waterfall", which sounds like a pretty good powersource to tap into. Yes there is a potential brine problem but I am pretty sure that can be taken care of sensibly.

The point I want to make is not that a specific technology or solution will be a magic bullet, but instead that we have several means at hand to generate large amounts of energy, and we are researching and developing new ones to complement those that we already have. Some of these technologies will never even take off, some will live on for a while, but we will need to figure out new ways all the time as our circumstances change.

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It could have worked if the will had been there to use solar to power hydrogen production in earths deserts, have a look at Dubai to see how the resource "money“ has been wasted it also says a lot about the intelligence of our species.
If the economy of doing it is sustainable, greed will ensure it happens.

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Peak oil will hit period!
I am not arguing with that we will get there. I think that the urgency you are trying to impress upon us is a bit overstated - given the relationship between prices, supply and demand it will not be instant, it will be gradual. The new ways of energy production under research is a recognition that oil is a finite resource.

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As for new technologies? What new technologies?
If I had a crystal ball I would tell you, but not before I had invested in companies working on those. Technologies are often developed to address a certain need. I think that the need is not seen as acute enough to warrant higher investment (price, supply and demand again).

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We need the incentive to develop them, thing is all new technologies need a sea of oil to build, have a look at the stock exchange market for "new technologies"
Profit usually does the trick.

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And then there is: I will copy-paste here..
Chevron $6,485,000 
Exxon ...
Your point is?

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Even with free energy for desalination available the waste is a first class marine pollutant and just not feasible on the gigantic scale necessary.
Again, as the need arises someone will see the profit opportunity and work on alternative solutions. Maybe some form of microbial solution? I wish I had that crystal ball.

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These are just a few examples of what the multis have in store for us.
The funny thing about many of these companies are that we own a fair chunk of them, directly, indirectly through our pensions and through the nations of which we are citizens. Since we want high returns on our investments, we are asking them to chase profits with any means at hand, land-grabbing included. If you do not like this, sell your shares, change your pension fund to another manager that will only invest according to your preferences and write your MP. But when you write him or her, do not present it like a global conspiracy, that will send your letter straight into the bin.
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The waste problem is something we need to deal with properly, and it will probably mean we will have to reconsider a few holy cows.
Or we ship it to Siberia where it can rot in the open air, like France does. Seems to be cheaper than dealing with it properly.

(I coincidentally for once watched Arte when they had the program on that revealed the whole story. Very interesting.)
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Doom's days haven't arrived yet. There is plenty of land and resources for us humans. Example, while we are congesting in EU, I could go to Zim or SA and occupy hectares of farms which are not cultivated yet. All is in your mind and once you take an effort and action, you can make it real. Necessity is mother of all inventions. If we feel too squeezed in one place then obviously we will find solution.

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Or we ship it to Siberia where it can rot in the open air, like France does. Seems to be cheaper than dealing with it properly.

(I coincidentally for once watched Arte when they had the program on that revealed the whole story. Very interesting.)
They obviously did reconsider a few holy cows, but I dare say they sent the wrong one to slaughter...
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Ther is plenty of land and resources for us humans. Example, while we are congesting in EU, I could go to Zim or SA and occupy hectares of farms which are not cultivated yet. All is in your mind and once you take an effort and action, you can make it real. Necessity is mother of all inventions. If we feel to squeezed than obviously we will find solution.
Cant we build a Starship Enterprise and live in Space please?
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Cant we build a Starship Enterprise and live in Space please?

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Technology shifts and breakthroughs can be observed to be occurring at a rapidly increading frequency (also required for economic revival) and parallels the growth of cities. However, soon we will hit a singularity. What happens here will be interesting. Does our civilisation go stale, collapse, or do we radically change our ways?
Accelerando's quite good on this. Free ebook here:

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/accelerando/

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