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Old 10.12.2009, 15:25
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Oil will be less and less used as a transport fuel and more generally as an energy source.
I don't see oil-as-energy after the EROEI of oil goes less than 1. Probably more like 2 - 3 once inefficiencies are taken into account. When will that be?

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Ermmm... Plastic etc are or made out of by-products of Oil refining, no?
Your feedstock doesn't have to be crude oil. In Thailand, they are already producing plastic derived from palm oil.

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If there would be less oil, there would be less likelihood of transporting heavy goods, even if we did... then there would be other ways. Egyptians did a pretty good job back in the days.
So will there be more heavy goods transport or not? That paragraph appears to contradict itself. Large energy efficiences can be gained by swtiching to electrical energy for transportation. Rail is more efficient than road energy-wise. Banning long-haul lorries on roads would force goods onto rail and canals and who knows what else. Maybe even dirigibles. The efficiencies in energy use might be enough to offset the declining net energy of the energy supply caused by the decline in EROEI of oil.
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I look forward to the return to a hemp-based economy.

Eat it, wear it, build with it, run the car on it...


and something else, but I can't quite remember what...
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Ermmm... Plastic etc are or made out of by-products of Oil refining, no?
Some, but not all. Wikipedia has a good listing of different types.
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Old 10.12.2009, 15:39
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I don't see oil-as-energy after the EROEI of oil goes less than 1. Probably more like 2 - 3 once inefficiencies are taken into account. When will that be?
Sorry, that's a misunderstanding of what I was saying due my unclear sentence.

I just meant that oil will be used less and less as an energy source.
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Some, but not all. Wikipedia has a good listing of different types.
Wikipedia sometimes is crap.

But major chunk of feedstock/raw material for plastics, cosmetics and food addictives, flavourings and sweetners are directly or indirectly attributed to Oil refining process.
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Re: Humanity, nice to have known you.

My response is to slammers message from the beginning.

Many people today are full of anxiety(fear, worry, uneasiness, negativity) and rightly so. So much to worry about, global warming, financial crisis, sickness etc. Not much to look forward to, right?

Wrong. There is a lot to look forward to. Yes, there is a mess and actually we could not continue to behave as were. We have to change but the only thing that motivates us humans, most of the time, to change, is pain.

Already there are new ideas, new businesses, new thoughts and new awareness.

Everyone can be resilient and learn how to change but it all starts at home. If I can affect how I behave then I just might affect how some else behaves.
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Which reminds me, without Oil, there wont be much of Cosmetic industry left either!

(Just trying to get some intelligent women on board too with the discussion)
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My response is to slammers message from the beginning.

Many people today are full of anxiety(fear, worry, uneasiness, negativity) and rightly so. So much to worry about, global warming, financial crisis, sickness etc. Not much to look forward to, right?

Wrong. There is a lot to look forward to. Yes, there is a mess and actually we could not continue to behave as were. We have to change but the only thing that motivates us humans, most of the time, to change, is pain.

Already there are new ideas, new businesses, new thoughts and new awareness.

Everyone can be resilient and learn how to change but it all starts at home. If I can affect how I behave then I just might affect how some else behaves.
Sex is a good energy source too, no? I mean the "release"

Or perhaps we can power our gadgets with the Power of Love, perhaps?
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Old 10.12.2009, 16:13
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Which reminds me, without Oil, there wont be much of Cosmetic industry left either!

(Just trying to get some intelligent women on board too with the discussion)
They might switch back to using whale oils.

Why do women wear makeup and perfume?

Because they're ugly and they smell.
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They might switch back to using whale oils.
And they will only marry a man, who loves her enough to travel to far off lands and hunt a Whale and get her whale oils
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Old 10.12.2009, 16:17
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Everyone can be resilient and learn how to change but it all starts at home. If I can affect how I behave then I just might affect how some else behaves.
"Think global, act local"?

Have you thought about how it would feel to live through a time where four or five out of six people die from starvation or conflict? That's part of the subtext of the OP's first post.
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"Think global, act local"?

Have you thought about how it would feel to live through a time where four or five out of six people die from starvation or conflict? That's part of the subtext of the OP's first post.
Yes, it is a real possibility. Yes, I have thought about it. Rather than get all screwed up aboput it I have thought what can I do about it. Change my own behaviour, which means doing things differently rather than stick my head in a hole or whine and complain.

Just sitting around talking about how bad things are or are going to be doesn't help. I mean why do I need a television program to tell me how bad it is. Helloooo. Things are bad. They have been for sometime. How long do we have to wait and hope. So lets do something about i!
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Hi Treverus, sorry but I think you are nit-picking here, it was a analogy nothing more or less.
And sorry to burst your bubble here but the war was won by the side that had the ability for it's industry to produce arms in whatever shape faster that they were being destroyed and it all washed up on a sea of oil, stratagie played a lesser role.
As to the EF rule? First time I have heard about it, sorry won't happen again!
Slammer.
Ok, I believe the gentlemen who died in Stalingrad would disagree with the way you weight strategy. Hitler himself admitted that he was completely surprised of the strength of the Russian army. Starting a two front war was one strategic mistake besides others that ended the Nazi rule.

As you have never heard of it: "Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies" is not only true for EF but the entire web. Wikipedia reference-linkGodwin's_law
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Old 11.12.2009, 21:54
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Ok, I believe the gentlemen who died in Stalingrad would disagree with the way you weight strategy. Hitler himself admitted that he was completely surprised of the strength of the Russian army. Starting a two front war was one strategic mistake besides others that ended the Nazi rule.

As you have never heard of it: "Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies" is not only true for EF but the entire web. Wikipedia reference-linkGodwin's_law
No! You are right I have not heard of that up until now, thanks for that I will defiantly look into this, on the other hand I despise Harald Schmidts weak attempts to be funny, when his program is on the telly I thank my multitude of heathen gods for creating the remote control.
As to the gentlemen affected by the Wehrmachts company outing to Stalingrad you kind of prove my point, strategy is overrated, crushing weight of numbers a cold blooded leadership combined with more resources (both wet and hard) than your enemy is what counts in the end.
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The show finished on the note that maybe our intelligence might save us..
The same thing that got us into this mess in the first place?
Cute!
It's called biological warfare. Plenty of folks working their *sses off to create the most efficient DoomBug.
We shall all disappear swiftly and leave everything to them bugs to enjoy forever & ever :-)

Ciaoooo

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