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Climate activists condemn Copenhagen police tactics

This news might be of interest of some people:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8410414.stm





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"People were very scared and they were held for about four hours on the ground. They weren't able to have any medical attention, any water, and weren't allowed to have any toilet facilities," she told BBC Five Live.
"People were there in freezing conditions urinating on themselves and being held in lines like, essentially like animals."

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I've got recently involved in a discussion about police repressive tactics in this forum, so I thought this news might be of interest of some people:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8410414.stm


Heavy handed governments... Look how the police have become militarised, armoured up... This is how they deal with their voters that are against their policies. Time for a revolution I say. People power, take back the almighty power from our supposed elected representatives. The police are becoming the governments street army, used against the people instead of for them. Anarchy is the only solution, and I am not talking the misused , abused definition of the word, but the true definition.


"Anarchism does not mean bloodshed; it does not mean robbery, arson, etc. These monstrosities are, on the contrary, the characteristic features of capitalism. Anarchism means peace and tranquility to all."

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Hmmm... next time there's a conclave at the Vatican, I'm going to go to Rome with several thousand of my black-clad, balaclava-wearing friends, smash a few shop windows, set fire to some cars, terrify the locals, then whine as the local police deal decisively and firmly with the disturbance I've caused in their home city.

That'll influence the cardinals' decision, for sure!



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Heavy handed governments... Look how the police have become militarised, armoured up... yada yada....

"Anarchism does not mean bloodshed; it does not mean robbery, arson, etc. These monstrosities are, on the contrary, the characteristic features of capitalism. Anarchism means peace and tranquility to all."

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...says a man who works for a bank.
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Those are very neat queues. Are you sure it's not England?

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People were there in freezing conditions urinating on themselves
Good to see some real energy conservation coming from the Copenhagen Summit.
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More on 'kettling' here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettling
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Hmmm... next time there's a conclave at the Vatican, I'm going to go to Rome with several thousand of my black-clad, balaclava-wearing friends, smash a few shop windows, set fire to some cars, terrify the locals, then whine as the local police deal decisively and firmly with the disturbance I've caused in their home city.

That'll influence the cardinals' decision, for sure!



Power to the People, &c...
The trouble makers were clearly a very small minority as reported by the BBC...
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...says a man who works for a bank.
So a Nurse cant criticise Medical practices , A Dr cant criticise medical funding, a Major in the Army cant criticise Military actions and a man working in a bank cant criticise capitalism ???
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Re: Climate activists condemn Copenhagen police tactics

Activists' job is to get their message across by showing themselves as justice-heros in the media. They are doing their job, that's fine with me. But come on... it's danish police, not the wilde wide west.
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Re: Climate activists condemn Copenhagen police tactics

Pretty repressive looking behaviour from the cops. It seems Europes cops are more and more becoming a bully-boy secret police than a force for law and order. The behaviour of the British police at this years london climate camp was disgusting - violent attacks against peacful (albeit obstructive) people who defended themselves by holding their hands in the air shouting 'This is not a riot'. I had the arguments with friends about the cops just dealing with troublemaking hippy yobbos, then the videos of the events started to appear and the police lies over Ian Tomlinson were exposed and they shut up.

an interesting film which covers some of the UK cops excessive behaviour is http://www.noliberties.com/ - quite sad viewing.

There will always be troublemakers at demos like this but the cops job is to control them, not punish them there and then with shield chops, nightsticks and kettling.
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Sure, but the cardinals are not deciding for the future of this world.. are they?
I think you may have missed my point:

Most decisions in this world are made by powerful men behind closed doors, from arms treaties to climate summits to papal conclaves. The men who attend these meetings did not get there by accident: They are immensely powerful and important in their own right, even more so once those doors are locked and negotiations begin. Each arrives with an agenda, set by democratic means or otherwise, and is at the meeting to represent his constituency, whether that constituency is the common man or the military-industrial complex - it doesn't really matter by this point.

Meanwhile, outside the meeting, several thousand powerless people are making a rumpus - making a noise, smashing windows, terrifying the locals, sitting in the streets, setting fire to cars, holding candles, singing hymns... whatever - it makes no difference. I'm sure they all feel very good about themselves, all the same.

Are they likely to influence the outcome of the meeting? Do they really believe that some of those men in suits will look out of the window and say "Gosh, they feel strongly about this, perhaps I ought to cast my vote in their favour rather than that of my constituency..."?

Or are they just going for a nice feelgood daytrip, a chance to play victim for a few hours in front of the assembled cameras of the world's newspapers and television broadcasters, before returning to their anarchist communes, their housing estates, their churches and their universities, full of tales of police brutality and Danish authoritarianism?

It's a pointless exercise, which bears no relationship to genuine popular struggles, such as that which brought down the Berlin Wall, or anything resembling democracy. If these people actually did want to change the world, they'd have been better off actually doing something about it long before this summit was convened.

But where would the glory be in that, eh?

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a man working in a bank cant criticise capitalism ???
Sure he can, but he'd be a hypocrite if he did so.
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It's a pointless exercise, which bears no relationship to genuine popular struggles, such as that which brought down the Berlin Wall, or anything resembling democracy.
I cant think of anything more deserving or serious... You compare the Berlin Wall to Global Warming ? ...and think the Berlin Wall surpasses Global Warming in terms of priority and severity ? Surely not ???
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I cant think of anything more deserving or serious... You compare the Berlin Wall to Global Warming ? ...and think the Berlin Wall surpasses Global Warming in terms of priority and severity ? Surely not ???
That isn't what I said. Please do keep up.
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Sure he can, but he'd be a hypocrite if he did so.
Why ? Are you confusing Capitalism and Finance ??
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Meanwhile, outside the meeting, several thousand powerless people are making a rumpus - making a noise, smashing windows, terrifying the locals, sitting in the streets, setting fire to cars, holding candles, singing hymns... .......
don't forget causing people from all over the world to discuss it on forums
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don't forget causing people from all over the world to discuss it on forums
Gosh! Yes! That'll bring The Man to his knees, won't it?
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That is a very good doc, you can also watch it on you tube:



P.S. The whole documentary is a broader picture of recent infringements of civil liberties in UK.
I think the British Police do a very good job under difficult circumstances. The climate change line of "we were just holding our hands up peacefully and they attacked us" is total rubbish and exposes the double standards they adhere to. A large majority are anarchists who enjoy nothing more than unprovoked violence against police because they are an easy target.

The police are not perfect and the incident on london was used (excessively) as evidence of that but both in this Copenhagen protests and in the previous ones in england playing the "but we-re just a bunch of hippies sitting around being peaceful" is absolute fantasy. There is a significant proportion of violent, malicious thugs at work. No one seems to be interested in the number of policemen injured in these events which is almost always significant.
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There is a significant proportion of violent, malicious thugs at work. No one seems to be interested in the number of policemen injured in these events which is almost always significant.
Sad but true
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I cant think of anything more deserving or serious... You compare the Berlin Wall to Global Warming ? ...and think the Berlin Wall surpasses Global Warming in terms of priority and severity ? Surely not ???
Does capitalising the initial letters of "global warming" help to elevate the issue in the global consciousness?
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