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Old 31.12.2009, 09:06
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Re: Full Body Scanners [airport security]

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Two bloggers received home visits from Transportation Security Administration agents Tuesday after they published a new TSA directive that revises screening procedures and puts new restrictions on passengers in the wake of a recent bombing attempt by the so-called underwear bomber.

Special agents from the TSA’s Office of Inspection interrogated two U.S. bloggers, one of them an established travel columnist, and served them each with a civil subpoena demanding information on the anonymous source that provided the TSA document.

The document, which the two bloggers published within minutes of each other Dec. 27, was sent by TSA to airlines and airports around the world and described temporary new requirements for screening passengers through Dec. 30, including conducting “pat-downs” of legs and torsos. The document, which was not classified, was posted by numerous bloggers. Information from it was also published on some airline websites.
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Old 31.12.2009, 09:41
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I can't help but thinking that this was deliberately staged by right-wing security-freaks and the manufacturing companies of those new X-Ray machines.

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Whilst this was a complete fiasco, I bet the governments especially US & UK love it as they can try and turn the screws on millions of ordinary folk in the name of anti-terrorism. They want to hold so much data and information about ordinary people in the name of security. It is a great leverage to erroding the freedom we used to have and controlling the masses.

Maybe I am just to synical about governments and the muppets involved. I do not see this problem going away anytime soon. The we will hunt them down story, well yes and when you do there are going to be ten more for each one you caught.
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Old 31.12.2009, 12:16
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Re: Full Body Scanners [airport security]

Why am I not surprised to find that the bomber invited George Galloway to deliver a speach about "Jihad v Terrorism” ?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6971071.ece
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Old 31.12.2009, 17:45
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They should have put scanner in the CIA gym in Afghanistan. 8 CIA killed.

Or just scan everyone leaving Yemen
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Old 31.12.2009, 17:52
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It wouldn't be a very effective security technique if you could just "ask for a new ticket without those words." I think even potential terrorists might figure out how to overcome that hurdle.

No, if you've received the unfortunate 'SSSS' on your ticket, the only solution is to leave plenty of time for secondary screening. No amount of pleading will make it go away.

I've always thought it was a bit weird to indicate secondary screening in such an obvious way. If I were carrying a load of explosives in my luggage and received an 'SSSS' on my ticket, I would abort my mission and come back another day to try again.
You would think so, yet, it is entirely possible to pester the ticket agent to reprint a ticket without the SSSS.
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Old 31.12.2009, 18:10
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They don't even need to be too specific about the profiling to let a lot of people through and speed things up:

Male, under 45, travelling without family or female companions would probably do it.
Rubbish. When the Israelis did that, guess what happened? Female suicide bombers.

I think there are enough tools and intelligence services at hand. They do not need to work on new procedures at airports or scanner technology, they need to get their act together to do the right thing with the huge amount of information they already collect today. End of story. Unfortunately, this sounds too bad to tell the public, so some miracle machines that make us all feel safe again are much better.
(Till the day somebody gets his explosives delivered behind the security lines. Amsterdam airport is famous to be an open gate for all types of drug trade, why not for terrorists...)
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Old 31.12.2009, 18:11
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Re: Full Body Scanners [airport security]

I went through one in Russia. I didn't like it. I just feel all these incresed checks are alibi security.

I mean your not allowed to bring liquids over 100 ml but in those bags you can fit 5-6 containers in to. So a mate and you can bring up to a litre liquid on board. Bring a suitable container and there you have a litre liquid explosives mixed together.

The only way we are totally safe is when you all travel naked, without luggage...and go through an x-ray check.... But there's then still no garantees that no terrorists would get jobs within airports/airlines.


It's up to the security officials to do their job right rather than annoying normal citizens with alibi security checks
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Old 31.12.2009, 18:14
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Re: Full Body Scanners [airport security]

I went through one at Moscow DMO. Apparently there's a place to stand while you're queuing which gives you a good view...
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Old 31.12.2009, 19:19
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Time between installation of those scanners & "nude" pictures of celebrities appear on the web - 1 week.

All because profiling is not PC.
profiling has shown its limits. When elQaeda realized that "Arabs" were profiled, they busily recruited Jamaicans, Kenyans and Tanzanians. Then they tried it with Germans, but extremist Germans apparently are not useful "for the purpose". Now elQaeda apparently has detected Nigeria. Who is next ? I don't know. But what is so tragic about those fearful scanners ? Have you some deadly secret to hide ? And sorry, those celebrities move me to tears
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Old 31.12.2009, 19:35
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Funny...I was laughing at YJT #28 "we'll all have to fly naked"..That thought came to my mind recently as I went thru Heathrow Airport. Some of my cherised creams like "Euceta" a Swiss herb cream for the skin had to be thrown away because of the new rules...and I jokingly said that "soon we will all have to fly naked!"...
One of the bigger problems is the attitudes to life these terrorist have, compared to Westerners...In a way they have the West's "soft spot"...Terrorist don't care about life, it is their cause and what happens after they die that matters...They feel that we in the West are timorous
Bush didn't help either...When 911 happened USA had the world at their feet...every country wanted to help...It was of the utmost importance what USA 's reaction would be to this tragedy...Bush invades Iraq!...A big NO NO!!That just gave terrorist more ammunition to "fight to the death"...This invasion created a dominoe effect...
Killing a lot of terrorist is not the answer, they care nothing about dying...What USA and some of their allies (Isreal) must understand that the "war of guns" are just about over" it is "the war of the minds" now....Terrorism will be defeated only thru deep, deep wisdom, diligence, and unsurmountalbe patience...
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Re: Full Body Scanners [airport security]

I would have thought to blow up an aeroplane would be relatively easy.
Surely you would fill the hold suitcase up with explosives disguised as something in your hold bag (upto say 10kg of explosives) with a mobile phone/receiver to receive transmissions to detonate the device. The passenger would then board the plane with the transmitter disguised as a mobile phone and when the plane was coming in to land detonate the lot.
Then surely the body xray and checking of hand luggage makes no difference.

The other thing that I have noticed is that most of the people handling the luggage at the London Airports seem to be of the Asian type (Pakistani looking) and possibly Muslim which would make it quite possible for them to get through the security issues if they were determined to.
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Re: Full Body Scanners [airport security]

you can refuse to go through the body scanners but still comply with their security requirements. They will have to allocate a person to you.

would you want to be scanned not knowing if there could be health implications?

If everyone refuses, they'll have to come up with something that is useful and not just BS.
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Re: Full Body Scanners [airport security]

I have a pretty simple question albeit with a probable complex answer:

What does the West need to do to appease the terrorists?


I was watching the news the other night and I became outraged (as one is wont to do on occasion) and it occured to me that I wasn't really sure what these idiot people are murdering for?
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What does the West need to do to appease the terrorists?
Convert to a particularly unpleasant, narrow minded and extremist form of Wahhabi Islam.

Nothing less will do.

Cheerful thought, isn't it?
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Old 31.12.2009, 20:43
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Re: Full Body Scanners [airport security]

Travelling by plane will soon become more and more uncomfortable exercise. If you think it is annoying here in EU now think twice. I remember flying to and fro Tel Aviv where surveillance is even more increased. On the other hand bad guys are trying to come up with more sophisticated bad stuff to outsmart the security, so does the security must take some new measures. At the end of the day no matter what you call it but if it makes you believe, it means it works It is like power of suggestion (POS) from "51st State"
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Convert to a particularly unpleasant, narrow minded and extremist form of Wahhabi Islam.

Nothing less will do.

Cheerful thought, isn't it?
The Christian Crusade Mk2.

The problem I see in the UK is that the normal Muslims do not appear to want to expose or stop their extremists.
One has to ask whether this is because they actually agree with them but don't feel it is the time to admitt it yet or they are too scared of them which means the extremists will take over anyway.
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The problem I see in the UK is that the normal Muslims do not appear to want to expose or stop their extremists.
One has to ask whether this is because they actually agree with them but don't feel it is the time to admitt it yet or they are too scared of them which means the extremists will take over anyway.
... or because they're too busy actually living their lives to give a bollocks what a couple of hundred nutters are up to.

You know. Like the rest of us.
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... or because they're too busy actually living their lives to give a bollocks what a couple of hundred nutters are up to.

You know. Like the rest of us.
I think it is a few more than a couple of hundred, but then it depends on what one defines as an extremist.

I don't think it is about "too busy actually living our lives"; it is more like we can't be ar8ed becuase it is now out of control and nobody else is bothered in the UK especially if it means missing those important soaps on TV.
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I have a pretty simple question albeit with a probable complex answer:

What does the West need to do to appease the terrorists?

I was watching the news the other night and I became outraged (as one is wont to do on occasion) and it occured to me that I wasn't really sure what these idiot people are murdering for?
The west can't "appease" the terrorists..Its gone past that now...Excuse me for repeating myself but Bush (of USA) had a wonderful opportunity after 911 to take care of the terrorist problem..He made bad choices...One of the most important steps the West will have to do (and I know this is not politically correct)is to stop the majority of immigration from countries that harbour terrorist...Even though I must add that the West is not completely innocent, the terrorist of today have more knowledge and intelligence and want to take everyone down with the ship...The wars of old are over...the enemy used to wear a uniform and they planned their strategy to win the battle...
This enemy wears no uniform, strikes randomly, and life to them means nothing...In their sphere of the world there are no new ideas, entrepreneurship, ways to better the world...The majority of their population are young people...Young people with no hope, nothing to do, feable minds....Dangerous(to them the West is to blame)
Another important step the West must take is to stop giving them so much publicity...When they go over, and over these incidents in the news, talk about the explosives, where they hid them. blah...blah...blah...well guess what...The terrorist watch the news too and they are laughing about it...watching the Westerners scatter hither and there, changing their rules and regulations because of their acts...They love it!
In order for this terrorist problem to come to an end, things will have to be done that many may view as improper...Like profiling, cut out their (terrorist) free advertising thru the media(this has to be done more behind the scenes, and not in the CIA, FBI way either, the West will have to be more quiet and strong, and then strike with precision (making more machines is not going to cut it) The West must truly, truly understand the mentality of the terrorist but on a deeper level, not with these so called experts, they must listen to them not to appease them..It won't be one sided either, there are things the West will have to give up too..Like our dependence on Oil...
Maybe many years from now we can continue to let their citizens into Western societies, but the Middle East and other terrorist must also be willing to listen(until then all free travel for them to the West must cease)and this will be difficult because we (the West) have a certain dependence on them too (Oil) and they know it!...our countries need very wise, thinking leaders, strong and stoic..Not those quick to the gun..
The West must also acknowledge where they have gone wrong and correct their mistakes...For example the USA can't continue to back Isreal at any cost..because they feel that Isreal is their only alli in the East...This abounds to no thinking at all...
The terroists do have some legitimate concerns, but they are just going about the execution of deliverence in a troublesome manner....
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Don't worry. I don't want to emigrate to America.

You're quite safe.
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