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Re: Why do people hate the UK ?

I love Ireland and the UK and find Switzerland very dull by comparison. Nice but dull. I haven't lived in either for almost 20 years but will move back. People lose their humor and zest for life in Germanic countries.
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IPeople lose their humor and zest for life in Germanic countries.
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Re: Why do people hate the UK ?

The UK as a place is very nice ....then people come along and spoil it.
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Agreed, there are plenty of lovely places... but unfortunately not everyone has the chance to live in them.
I lived, in what was thought by alot of people, to be a lovely place. A small sea side town where many elderly and wealthy retired too. How it has changed. I went home for 2 weeks at Christmas and was told by my 7 Nieces, that they dont go out in town anymore, as if you just look at someone in a certain way you can get attacked, let alone accidently been pushed into someone when trying to go to the bar. I found this really sad and after just 2days there, an innocent guy was murdered in the town centre, by 2 drug fuelled yobs, who bricked him to death and all the guy was doing is going for a Taxi. The murdered guy had 4 children. I will still continue to go home regularly as my Family are there and i do love the people and the Country and am still very proud to be British, but as sad as it is, there has been such dramatic changes (even in the nice places)...
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I love Ireland and the UK and find Switzerland very dull by comparison. Nice but dull. I haven't lived in either for almost 20 years but will move back. People lose their humor and zest for life in Germanic countries.
20 years is a long time,you ought to go back and see if there have been any changes which may change your opinion.
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Re: Why do people hate the UK ?

Why do people hate the UK? Because they are stupid, ignorant or uncultured and most probably all of the above.
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There is no fighting back or coming to england's defence in this thread I just wondered why people loath england so much ? I mean what has it done to get to such an utterly desperate external view of itself by other people ?
You ask as if you never lived in the UK. Bad food, gray skies and strange habits. What is good about that?!?!?!?

Thank God some Pakistanis and Indians brought you some real food :-)
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You ask as if you never lived in the UK. Bad food, gray skies and strange habits. What is good about that?!?!?!?

Thank God some Pakistanis and Indians brought you some real food :-)
What a load of old tosh. The food in the UK is far, far better than here, we get a lot more sunshine and much less fog, and as for strange habits, well, I really would not know where to start to describe my experiences here to date.
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What a load of old tosh. The food in the UK is far, far better than here, we get a lot more sunshine and much less fog, and as for strange habits, well, I really would not know where to start to describe my experiences here to date.
agree, food is better pretty much across the board and especially at the high end. i used to go to michelin starred restaurants as an occasional treat, but if that option were available here at UK prices, i'd be going every week.
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Re: Why do people hate the UK ?

If people hate the UK, why air it on an English forum which is Brit dominated?
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If people hate the UK, why air it on an English forum which is Brit dominated?
No-one here "hates" the UK, it was a melodramatic thread title that resulted in Brits having a moan about the UK, which then of course escelated into accusing people of planning the next Guy Fawkes plot, and demanding executions and burnings for traitorous thoughts and hidden agendas.

Basically, much ado about nothing. As usual.
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No-one here "hates" the UK, it was a melodramatic thread title that resulted in Brits having a moan about the UK, which then of course escelated into accusing people of planning the next Guy Fawkes plot, and demanding executions and burnings for traitorous thoughts and hidden agendas.

Basically, much ado about nothing. As usual.
In fact, this one wasn't. The earlier one - reasons to come to switzerland from america - was indeed a joke thread highlighting that the related thread about reasons to move to Switzerland from the UK seemed to be getting responses from Americans, kiwi's, swiss, basically all sorts of people who really would have no real understanding of life in the UK because they havent been there.

This thread was logged after a morning where in three seperate threads there really did see some very negative statements about the UK, particularly focusing on law and order, and went beyond idle cheekiness and did strike me as a genuine feeling of loathing and hence I posted this topic.

of course when you actually mention the Elephant in the Room people promptly fall over themselves to actually say they love the UK and it's all been a big misunderstanding (I don't mean you here RD, your responses have been eloquent about the reasons you currently like and don't like the UK) but I posted it genuinely as a question and also perhaps to try and highlight that saying sweeping things like "well what do you expect of this dire lawless slum" type of comment are genuinely unfair towards blighty.

It was interesting today that the teenage girl that had roundly been reported as being stabbed to death in a random attack as yet another sign of broken britain, was in fact murdered in an attack by a previous boyfriend, a crime that occurs throughout the world with regularity.
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I love Ireland and the UK and find Switzerland very dull by comparison. Nice but dull. I haven't lived in either for almost 20 years but will move back. People lose their humor and zest for life in Germanic countries.
People who lose their humour when living in German speaking countries should consult a psychiatrist. And so should people who when living in German speaking countries lose their zest for live
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Why do people hate the UK? Because they are stupid, ignorant or uncultured and most probably all of the above.
As outlined above, most people who hate the UK, as apparent from this forum, are of British origin !
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What a load of old tosh. The food in the UK is far, far better than here, we get a lot more sunshine and much less fog, and as for strange habits, well, I really would not know where to start to describe my experiences here to date.
The weather in both countries differs quite a lot between different areas and places and cannot be generalized in either case. I have a liking for the English south-coast and its mild climate which even in London still is much milder than in Zurich.

The "native" English food is absolutely beyond what might be regarded as edible, and back in 1972 (for three months) the only escape were the Indian/Pakistani restaurants and a few Arab and Iranian restaurants. In about 2000, the picture had heavily improved by the many Vietnamese, Turkish, Greek, Portuguese and Mexican restaurants plus the increased number of Arab (mostly Lebanese and Tunisian) restaurants plus the fact that the Italian places had improved, BUT the "native" cuisine only had improved by adding some Indian elements.
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In fact, this one wasn't. The earlier one - reasons to come to switzerland from america - was indeed a joke thread highlighting that the related thread about reasons to move to Switzerland from the UK seemed to be getting responses from Americans, kiwi's, swiss, basically all sorts of people who really would have no real understanding of life in the UK because they havent been there.

This thread was logged after a morning where in three seperate threads there really did see some very negative statements about the UK, particularly focusing on law and order, and went beyond idle cheekiness and did strike me as a genuine feeling of loathing and hence I posted this topic.

of course when you actually mention the Elephant in the Room people promptly fall over themselves to actually say they love the UK and it's all been a big misunderstanding (I don't mean you here RD, your responses have been eloquent about the reasons you currently like and don't like the UK) but I posted it genuinely as a question and also perhaps to try and highlight that saying sweeping things like "well what do you expect of this dire lawless slum" type of comment are genuinely unfair towards blighty.

A) "haven't been there" ? Do you seriously believe that there are so many New Zealanders, Australians and Swiss who have never been in Britain ? Or what is your minimum requirement for "having been there" ? It is three days, one week, one month, three months, one year, 25 years or 50 years ??

B) you ought to have noticed that most seriously negative contributions came from citizens of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and NOT from the others ! your attempt to turn things onto its head is absolutely NOT funny !

C) something like "well what do you expect of this dire lawless slum" for sure did NOT come from a Swiss, and hardly from a US-American or a Canadian
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Re: Why do people hate the UK ?

After many years abroad i returned to the the UK with a very positive attitude to returning. Two years later i came to Switzerland why? During my job I was threatened with violence on numerous occasions. I was attacked and beaten up on a busy street, in the middle of the day by 3 drunks. The local school in spite of being located in a wealthy part of town was falling apart, the local council preferring to spend money on important projects like roundabouts. A huge number of people I knew living absolutely on the line of bankruptcy but the society still encouraging them to spend like crazy. Local OAP's being mugged outside the local bank (not a news story, i know for sure it happened), drug gang shootouts USA style in a formerly quiet part of the city, I could go on...........

there are a lot of positive aspects to the UK of course, but its becoming quite a brutal society for many people who are not wealthy, for me the violence was the main problem, I am not of the opinion that it was always as bad or as polarised as now.
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People who lose their humour when living in German speaking countries should consult a psychiatrist. And so should people who when living in German speaking countries lose their zest for live
Agreed.... to ensure they don't become totally petty and rule obsessed. It's not that most Germanic types have no zest for life as such, it's more that the constant barrage of regulation has sapped any free sprit or will that they may have had.

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A) "haven't been there" ? Do you seriously believe that there are so many New Zealanders, Australians and Swiss who have never been in Britain ? Or what is your minimum requirement for "having been there" ? It is three days, one week, one month, three months, one year, 25 years or 50 years ?? They may have, but how many ventured outside London? If you were to build an impression of Switzerland on a weekend in Zurich, how much of the much better things would you miss.
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The "native" English food is absolutely beyond what might be regarded as edible, and back in 1972 (for three months) the only escape were the Indian/Pakistani restaurants and a few Arab and Iranian restaurants. In about 2000, the picture had heavily improved by the many Vietnamese, Turkish, Greek, Portuguese and Mexican restaurants plus the increased number of Arab (mostly Lebanese and Tunisian) restaurants plus the fact that the Italian places had improved, BUT the "native" cuisine only had improved by adding some Indian elements.
Oh please, cheese with everything is not the basis for cuisine.... really, and CH has cornered the market in charging a fortune for below standard fare. I can only surmise the 'native' dishes like cullen skink or any of the fresh sea food from the West coast of Scotland never made your plate then, or a hearty hotpot from Lancashire, bangers and mash, steak& kidney pie, battered haddock or cod from a proper fish and chip shop etc etc... define 'local' and anyone from that area of the UK will list plenty of native cusine that will firmly place some melted cheese and bread on a stick in it's place.

I have been here 2 years and the only consistantly good food is stone cooked steak, and you end up doing that yourself... for the price of a whole cow in Blighty...... Gotta say I do love raclette though
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Agreed.... to ensure they don't become totally petty and rule obsessed. It's not that most Germanic types have no zest for life as such, it's more that the constant barrage of regulation has sapped any free sprit or will that they may have had.


I have been here 2 years and the only consistantly good food is stone cooked steak, and you end up doing that yourself... for the price of a whole cow in Blighty...... Gotta say I do love raclette though

I for sure cannot say how many Swiss, Australians and US-Americans have been outside London, but when visiting places like Cambridge, Newcastle, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Bristol, Plymouth, Weymouth, Exeter, Bournemouth, Brighton and Dover I was not the only foreigner around, so that I think that quite many people visit other places also

And in regard to humour, I have to use the German saying
Humor ist wenn man trotzdem lacht (humour is if you laugh in spite ....)
The "barrage of regulations" in countries like Switzerland and Germany of course IS extreme beyond discussion, but no problem for independently minded people to keep up spirits (free spirit)

Good local cuisine does not have to do much with cheese but for instance with venison, deer, boar for example, or cotelettes or Züri Gschnetzlets

recipe here
http://www.schweizer-kochrezepte.ch/...netzeltes.html

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500 g Egli-Filets
Salz
Pfeffer
1 TL gemischte Kräuter (Estragon, Dill, Petersilie, Thymian, Majoran)
3 Schalotten
100 g Butter
200 ml Weisswein (Dorin, Dézaley, oder ähnlich)
100 ml Doppelrahm

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Die Filets mit Salz, Pfeffer und den Kräutern einreiben. 1 Stunde ruhen lassen.
Die gehackten Schalotten in ein wenig Butter anbraten und mit dem Wein ablöschen.
Die Egli-Filets in diese Sauce legen und bei kleiner Hitze 10 Minuten ziehen lassen.
Herausnehmen und auf einer Platte warm stellen.
Den Weinsud zur Hälfte einkochen lassen.
Den Rahm hineinrühren und leicht eindicken lassen.
Die Sauce von der Feuerstelle nehmen und nach und nach die Butter unter kräftigem Schlagen zugeben (montieren).
Die Filets mit dieser Sauce überziehen und sofort servieren.
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1 Kaninchen
Mehl zum Bestäuben
30 g Butterschmalz
1 Rüebli
2 Zweige frischer Thymian
1 Zwiebel, gespickt mit 1 Lorbeerblatt und 3-4 Gewürznelken
2 cl trockener weisser Vermouth
500 ml Kalbs- oder Bratenfond
500 ml Crème fraîche oder Mascarpone
1 TL Senf
evtl. 1 TL Stärkemehl


Zubereitung

Das portionsgerecht zerteilte Kaninchen leicht einmehlen und in der präparierten Bratpfanne im heisser Butter anbraten, bis es von allen Seiten Farbe bekommen hat.
Herausnehmen und warm stellen.
Das fein gewürfelte Rüebli darin anrösten, Thymian, Zwiebel zugeben, mit dem Vermouth ablöschen, Kalbsfond und Kaninchenstücke zugeben.
Bei milder Hitze anfangs zugedeckt eine gute Stunde schmoren lassen.

Gegen Ende der Garzeit Deckel abnehmen, Sauce etwas einkochen lassen und dann Crème fraîche, den Senf und eventuell etwas in Wasser angerührte Stärke zum Binden unterrühren.
Einmal kräftig aufkochen und mit Kartoffelpüree servieren
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1 Lammgigot mit Knochen
3 EL Butterfett
2 Knoblauchzehen
2 Zweige Rosmarin
2 Zweige Thymian
3 Rippen Stangensellerie
1 Lauchstange
1 Karotte
1 Zwiebel mit Lorbeerblatt und Nelke besteckt
3 dl trockener Rotwein

Zubereitung
Das Gigot dem Knochen entlang mit Knoblauch, Rosmarin und Thymian einreiben.
Die Gemüse waschen und fein schneiden.
Das Fleisch in der Bratpfanne oder im Ofen allseitig anbraten.
Das geschnittene Gemüse beigeben.
Alles ein paar Minuten dämpfen und mit Wein ablöschen.
Zugedeckt im Ofen oder auf der Platte ca. 1 Stunde braten.
Fleisch alle 10 Minuten wenden.
Vor dem Tranchieren, den Braten ca. 5 Minuten "ruhen" lassen.
Sauce entweder abseihen und mit Rahm verfeinern (nicht mehr aufkochen!) oder mitsamt dem Gemüse servieren.
Kartoffelpüree und grüne Bohnen schmecken am besten dazu.
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4 EL Zwiebeln, geschält, gehackt
160g Champignons, geputzt
560g Kalbsschnitzelfleisch, hangeschnetzelt (3 mm dick)
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weisser Pfeffer aus der Mühle
1 EL Mehl
2 EL Erdnussöl
3 EL Butter
2 dl Weisswein
4 dl Rahm

800g Rösti aus gekochten Kartoffeln (nicht zu weich)
80g Butter
2 EL Erdnussöl
1 KL Salz
2 EL Korinthen


Zubereitung
Vorbereitung für die Rösti: Für die Rösti - wenn immer möglich - die Kartoffeln schon am Vortag kochen (nicht zu weich) und ungeschält kühl stellen.

Zubereitung Rösti:
In einer grossen Teflonpfanne die Butter und das Erdnussöl erhitzen (das Erdnussöl kann auch durch Schweineschmalz ersetzt werden).
Die Kartoffeln mit dem Salz mischen und hineingeben.
Die Rösti locker verteilen, bei nicht zu hoher Temperatur ca. 10 Minuten die eine Seite braten. Die Rösti wenden und die andere Seite ebenfalls ca. 10 Minuten braten.
Die Rösti müssen knusprig goldgelb gebacken sein.
Die Hitze nun auf ein Minimum reduzieren (Stufe 1) und die Rösti warm halten.


Zubereitung Geschnätzlets:
Das Geschnetzelte mit Salz und Pfeffer aus der Mühle würzen und in zwei Teile teilen.
Eine grosse Teflonpfanne mit der Hälfte des Erdnussöles sehr gut erhitzen, einen Teil des Fleisches beigeben und kurz anbraten.
Das Fleisch aus der Pfanne nehmen, warm stellen.
Mit dem restlichen Fleisch ebenso verfahren.
In derselben Pfanne die Butter erhitzen, die Zwiebeln beigeben und dünsten.
Die in Scheiben geschnittenen Champignons dazugeben, mit dem Mehl stäuben und vermischen. Weisswein beigeben und zur Hälfte einreduzieren.
Den Bratensaft vom Fleisch und den Rahm dazugeben und alles zur gewünschten Konsistenz einkochen.
Mit Salz und Pfeffer abschmecken.
Das Fleisch in die Sauce geben (nicht mehr kochen) und mischen.
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800 g Kalbsbraten
1 kg Saisongemuese (auch Pilze)
1 Zwiebel
4 Knoblauchzehen
2 Zweige Rosmarin

Sonnenblumenoel (3 EL)
Provence-Gewuerz (2 TL)
Senf (4 EL)
Kraeuter-Bouillon (1 TL)
Pfeffer

Zubereitung

1. Backofen auf 180 Grad vorheizen.

2. Gemuese ruesten, in mundgerechte Stuecke schneiden. Zwiebeln schaelen und vierteln. Knoblauch nur schaelen.

3. 3 EL Sonnenblumenoel erhitzen. Dann Braten auf jeder Seite 3 Minuten scharf anbraten, damit sich die Poren schliessen.

4. Braten mit Haushaltpapier abtupfen und in Roemertopf oder Kasserolle geben. Mit 4 EL Senf bestreichen. Mit frischem Rosmarin, 2 TL Provence-Gewuerz und frischem Pfeffer wuerzen.

5. Gemuese, Zwiebeln, Knoblauch zum Braten geben.

6. Bouillon mit 1 dl Wasser aufkochen und in die Kasserolle geben.

7. Deckel drauf und 1 1/2 Stunden backen.


Dazu passt:
Bratkartoffeln, Kartoffelstock oder Nudeln.

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Titel: Rindsgulasch Kategorie: Fleisch Unterkategorie: Keine Angabe Datum: 16/Dec/2004 DiesesRezept ist für ca. 2 Personen. Zeitaufwand: Keine Angabe Zutaten: 400 g Gulaschfleisch, 180 g Zwiebelwürfel,
8 g Edelsüßpaprika,
40 g Butter,
1/2 TL Tomatenmark, etwas Knoblauch, unbehandelte Zitronenschale,
Majoran und Thymian, Kümmel, Salz Zubereiten: Butter erhitzen, darin die Zwiebeln hellbraun rösten. Paprika einrühren und mit einem Schuß Wasser ablöschen. Gesalzenes Fleisch und Tomatenmark zugeben, alles vermengen und bei schwacher Hitze Saft ziehen lassen. Danach Deckel abnehmen und Wasser bis auf die Fleischhöhe angießen. Topf zudecken und alles bei niedriger Temperatur ca. zweieinhalb Stunden garen. Die Gewürze kurz vor dem Garzeitende beigeben.
Das Fleisch danach in einen anderen Topf legen. Die Sauce abfetten und passieren.
Das Gulasch mit Nudeln servieren.


All these are typical Swiss recipes, found in restaurants and private households
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What a load of old tosh. The food in the UK is far, far better than here, we get a lot more sunshine and much less fog, and as for strange habits, well, I really would not know where to start to describe my experiences here to date.
It depends on the region.
In the German speaking part; all you have is Schwein Schnitzel (and you need a heft salary to buy meat); in Ticino we have a much varied offering as well as no fog as there is a a mediteranian climate.
Unfortunately there are no Indian Restuarants, Chinese Restaurants, Lebanese worth going to in any of Switzerland compared to the UK especially when it comes to paying for it.

I am living in both UK and Switzerland and I must say UK is going down fast rapidly with regard to attitude of people but saying that so is Switzerland with younger generation but it is lagging behind a few years.
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