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Old 08.11.2011, 12:18
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Re: Michael Jacksons Dr charged with involuntary manslaughter

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No wayyyy ... REALLLY ???
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Old 08.11.2011, 12:20
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The doctor has been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Isn't that a sort of killing him by accident? Death through incompetence? It sounds about right to me, and I think he should now have his license permanently removed.
Yes and no.

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There are two types of involuntary manslaughter statutes: criminally negligent manslaughter and unlawful act manslaughter. Criminally negligent manslaughter occurs when death results from a high degree of negligence or recklessness. Modern criminal codes generally require a consciousness of risk and under some codes the absence of this element makes the offense a less serious Homicide.


An omission to act or a failure to perform a duty constitutes criminally negligent manslaughter. The existence of the duty is essential. Since the law does not recognize that an ordinary person has a duty to aid or rescue another in distress, a death resulting from an ordinary person's failure to act is not manslaughter. On the other hand, an omission by someone who has a duty, such as a failure to attempt to save a drowning person by a lifeguard, might constitute involuntary manslaughter.
The doctor performed in a negligent fashion but as he was not to know that death would result (), he is guilty of involuntary manslaughter through criminal negligence.

At least, that's what I understand, perhaps I am incorrect.
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Old 08.11.2011, 17:13
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The doctor performed in a negligent fashion but as he was not to know that death would result (), he is guilty of involuntary manslaughter through criminal negligence.
Bah humbug. This was a witch hunt. America's icon of an era is dead and the public want blood, as evidenced by the masses outside cheering for the verdict. Sorry, but that's a witch hunt in my book.
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Old 08.11.2011, 17:26
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Bah humbug. This was a witch hunt. America's icon of an era is dead and the public want blood, as evidenced by the masses outside cheering for the verdict. Sorry, but that's a witch hunt in my book.
Masses? I'd hardly call some hard core fans the "Masses". It wasn't them that convicted the Dr.
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Old 08.11.2011, 17:28
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Masses? I'd hardly call some hard core fans the "Masses". It wasn't them that convicted the Dr.
No. And that's not what I said. There was only ever going to be one verdict in this trial.
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Yes, as the Dr. ostensibly did something criminal, what other verdict would have been appropriate??

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No. And that's not what I said. There was only ever going to be one verdict in this trial.
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Old 08.11.2011, 17:37
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Yes, as the Dr. ostensibly did something criminal, what other verdict would have been appropriate??
Malpractice is not the same as criminal.

Thousands of Drs make incorrect judgements every day in hospitals, on the streets and in homes across the world. These result in thousands of deaths.

Do we get a court case for each one? No.

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There is no law against administering propofol, but the prosecution's case rested on the argument that Dr Murray was grossly negligent by doing so outside a hospital setting and without the proper monitoring equipment.
This is medical opinion on clinical practice. What it really boiled down to was medical opinion of how something should be done.

And based on this, there was only ever going to be one verdict.
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Old 08.11.2011, 17:40
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the public want blood, as evidenced by the masses outside cheering for the verdict. Sorry, but that's a witch hunt in my book.
No, you said the above and my main response answered that. My following comment just meant, and poorly communicated I agree, that it was the evidence and nothing else that brought the outcome.


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No. And that's not what I said. There was only ever going to be one verdict in this trial.
After seeing the evidence the jury agreed that there could be only one outcome.


Anyway, not too long to see the final outcome to all this.
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Old 08.11.2011, 17:46
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After seeing the evidence the jury agreed that there could be only one outcome.
I don't agree. See my post above. It came down to medical opinion based on "I think..." not what is wrong or right...
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Old 08.11.2011, 17:53
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Re: Michael Jacksons Dr charged with involuntary manslaughter

How many Doctors or Surgeons make mistakes?

How many Doctors or Surgeons who make mistakes result in serious injury, disfigurement, or death?


Of these doctors, how many are actually ever found liable for their actions? Found accountable, sued, or derigistered on the basis of malpractice?




How many actually go to jail for Manslaughter?


He is no worse than any other scumbag doctor (excluding all the very decent doctors that is) that usually 'gets away' with their actions - people just need a scapegoat to hang their fury on this time - this time it's because Michael Jackson is dead, not somebodies 'under insured' grandmother.


This is a witch hunt plain and simple.
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Old 08.11.2011, 18:06
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Re: Michael Jacksons Dr charged with involuntary manslaughter

If MJ had been black the dr would have got away with it
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Old 08.11.2011, 22:54
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Re: Michael Jacksons Dr charged with involuntary manslaughter

Come on, really?

This doctor was doling out drugs like smarties. At no point did he have his patient's best interests at heart, he had $150k/month at heart.

Wise up.

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How many Doctors or Surgeons make mistakes?

How many Doctors or Surgeons who make mistakes result in serious injury, disfigurement, or death?


Of these doctors, how many are actually ever found liable for their actions? Found accountable, sued, or derigistered on the basis of malpractice?




How many actually go to jail for Manslaughter?


He is no worse than any other scumbag doctor (excluding all the very decent doctors that is) that usually 'gets away' with their actions - people just need a scapegoat to hang their fury on this time - this time it's because Michael Jackson is dead, not somebodies 'under insured' grandmother.


This is a witch hunt plain and simple.
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I don't agree. See my post above. It came down to medical opinion based on "I think..." not what is wrong or right...
But, in a larger sense, isn't right or wrong just society's consensus "I think..."?

The prosecution proved that it was more than a difference of opinion between two doctors; it was proved that MJ's doctor went against the vast preponderance of medical opinion, against the manufacturer of the drug's directions, and was doing something that his training and qualifications should tell him was not breaking new medical ground, but simply dangerous.

But I also agree with the statement that the public needed a scapegoat; it just so happens that this time the scapegoat was already a goat.
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But, in a larger sense, isn't right or wrong just society's consensus "I think..."?
Yein. ...........
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