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Re: First Ever Commercial For Abortion on British TV

I feel that Abortion commercials are about as appropriate as commercials for Euthanasia would be.

These are procedures or processes that should be entered into on the recommendation or referral of an other medical professional. This is necessary to reduce the abuse of the system and emotionally vulnerable individuals.
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Re: First Ever Commercial For Abortion on British TV

According to the article, they only advertise the helpline - I don't see anything wrong with that if young terrified girls know where to call and don't just sit at home hoping it will go away or worse, try some "old wives" recommendations. You probably argue that there is plenty of info available and nobody would be so stupid, but go read some teenagers message boards. You will be surprised. Or horrified. It does not in any way say that abortion is a cool thing that everybody should have, does it? So I would not really say it is advertising abortion.
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Re: First Ever Commercial For Abortion on British TV

I imagine that women of all ages and their partners too sometimes find themselves in a situation where they need more information and assistance, not necessarily the facilitation of an abortion, either. No problem in advertising this on TV as far as I can tell.

As for payment, I don't understand the UK system of charities and trusts. I do know that health care facilities need to pay staff and purchase supplies, equipment, rent, utilities and even Internet. Non profits need money to survive. If someone can pay for these services, I think they should. If someone can't, these services should not be denied.

As for advertising abortion and euthanasia... well of course it is inappropriate to advertise them outright. But I can't help but think that providing access to information about family planning and end of life decision making is a good thing. There's a lot that people don't know or don't/won't think about.
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I feel that Abortion commercials are about as appropriate as commercials for Euthanasia would be.
I understand your point but if you want to end your life at 60+ years of age it's quite straightforward to just pick up the phone or go on the web. But it's a bit difficult to do those simple tasks from inside a womb. :-/
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According to the article, they only advertise the helpline - I don't see anything wrong with that if young terrified girls know where to call and don't just sit at home hoping it will go away or worse, try some "old wives" recommendations. You probably argue that there is plenty of info available and nobody would be so stupid, but go read some teenagers message boards. You will be surprised. Or horrified. It does not in any way say that abortion is a cool thing that everybody should have, does it? So I would not really say it is advertising abortion.
I am not arguing that there is plenty of info available. There is. However, I have noticed that there is also plenty of worthless and false information out there as well. And a great deal of this is not accidental ignorance. Quite a bit of it seems to have originated from religious backgrounds. As a society we all seem to have a lot to answer for, explain, or justify. It depends on ones' viewpoint.

Nonetheless, I won't disagree with your statement that I would be horrified if I knew how many stupid acting or genuinely ignorant children there are our there. I am, every time I think about it. They have functioning ovaries and testes and don't even need a license to use them.
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Re: First Ever Commercial For Abortion on British TV

Thankfully I have never been in this position, but have a friend who has. We were very young, and there was nothing for me to do but support my friend through this difficult decision. I don't know what I would have done had I become pregnant at young age. My heart says I would never be able to do an abortion, but that is so easy to say when you have never been pregnant.
I thought my friend had done the right thing. Later when she got older she wanted to become a mother. She mis carried and the doctors told her she will have difficulties to carry a child in the future. Do I still think she made the right choice before? I don't know.
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I don't blame those girls and women, to be secretly preggo, potentially facing disdain, fearing what will come, not knowing how to decide, fearing for future, hers, her potential kid, enormous guilt, worrying their partner might leave them, who will feed the kid, feeling like a failure as parents before they even become ones, future career, disappointing their folks, you name it...There is probably very few more difficult situations woman or girl can find herself in. Taboo, all over the world, not only in the UK.
That is a good point. I'm not sure if men can understand this, because it is so easy for them to run away and not taking responsibility. After all, it takes two to make a child. For a teen girl, this is a big responsibility to handle alone. I can only imagine how scary it must feel.
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Re: First Ever Commercial For Abortion on British TV

I am not in the correct frame of heart right now to look at the commercial (or whatever that link goes to) but I will say that as others have described it, it sounds like it is more of a public information commercial on "family planning" rather than for abortion.

I have never had to make the choice but I am firmly pro-choice. I do not think it ever would be the right choice for me (and after the last couple years, something completely extraordinary would have to happen for me to choose that now) but I also do not think it is my place to make the decision for another woman.


So, much like a TV program I saw recently about high schools going back to teaching abstinence rather than teaching sex-ed, I think the commercial even being an issue is an issue raised by pro-life rather than pro-choice.

People (male and female) should know where to go to get information before, during and after the conception of a child, no matter what decisions are made with regards to the pregnancy.
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Channel 4 are broadcasting the first ever commercial for abortion clinics (family planning centres).
I like the word "family planning" when actually it's about how not to have a family.

I wonder whether "retirement planning" is about making sure you end prematurely so you don't need to bother with retirement.

When my boss gives me heaps of extra work, it is of course "vacation planning".

I think henceforth I shall stop doing any work. That is of course "job security planning".

And I'll refer to my dentist as "tooth decay planning specialist".
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Re: First Ever Commercial For Abortion on British TV

I guess the advert was transmitted knowing that these figures were going to be published shortly after.
Fortunately figures out today show that abortions have reduced in the UK in 2009. Long term it's not so clear.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8702839.stm
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Re: First Ever Commercial For Abortion on British TV

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Marie Stopes International is the UK's leading provider of sexual and reproductive healthcare services. Our nationwide network of sexual health clinics see over 100,000 men and women each year who come to us for information, advice and professional care. We are committed to providing all the help you need to make informed choices about your health. We ensure that there is no wait for appointments and that our centres are safe, friendly, and comfortable places to visit.
Our services include:
Contraception
Unplanned pregnancy counselling

Abortion information and advice
Help for women needing abortions
Abortion pill and other treatment options
Vasectomy information and vasectomy procedure
Female sterilisation
Health screening for men and women
Company health screening
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If you would like to know more about our sexual and reproductive healthcare services click on the sections above. We work in partnership with the NHS and offer many NHS funded services for men and women as well as private appointments. Our fees section gives details including abortion costs and vasectomy costs for private clients.
A registered charity, Marie Stopes International also works around the world in 43 countries. Surplus funds from the UK clinics, help support vital sexual and reproductive healthcare programmes in some of the world’s poorest regions. So by using Marie Stopes International services in the UK, you are also helping improve the lives of nearly 6 million people every year.
Looks like family planning to me.

Here is the link for their website.

Looks like other things as well, but definitely family planning.
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Re: First Ever Commercial For Abortion on British TV

Yeah it's family planning, the advert is quite a gentle one. Basically some dramatic/ emotional music with 3 girls who are 'late'. It's quite an artistic advert actually, looking at it from a professional angle.

But yes, the word abortion doesn't even feature in it. I think it's great that the advert has gone out though, I'll say it was a good idea. A lot of young women in the UK will really appreciate that information.

I think it's very obvious, if you don't agree with abortion, then don't get one. Simple! But everyone is entitled to live their life in their own way, and you don't know what situations people might find themselves in. It's not breaking the law as someone said earlier, to have an abortion.

But I can understand them not wanting to advertise cigarettes, because ultimately the people who end up with lung cancer will put pressure on the NHS which affects everyone.

The abortion thing is quite different, that's my opinion.
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That is a good point. I'm not sure if men can understand this, because it is so easy for them to run away and not taking responsibility.
So easy!
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Re: First Ever Commercial For Abortion on British TV

Unfortunately it will probably just stir up the religious nuts and end up achieving the opposite of what it wanted to do.

The MAIL will probably start a campaign and the idiots that read that rag will get all aggresive and questions will be asked in the house.

Then the editors can laugh as the papers distribution increases alongside the countries blood pressure.
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Unfortunately it will probably just stir up the religious nuts and end up achieving the opposite of what it wanted to do.
What did it want to do?

As far as I can see, it is an ad for a particular clinic, and therefore its purpose was to drive up the bottom line and profits for that clinic.

To acheive the opposite of that, it would have to detract profitable business from that particular clinic. I cannot imagine how the ad is going to make that happen.
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So easy!
Not saying all of them do, but a lot of them do though. Know plenty of examples. Sure, they will have to pay for the child, but they have a lot more freedom than the mother in many cases.
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I think it's very obvious, if you don't agree with abortion, then don't get one. Simple!
Good idea. And if you don't agree with weapons exports, don't buy a tank.
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Good idea. And if you don't agree with weapons exports, don't buy a tank.
Women are entitled to make our own decisions about our own individual lives and our own body

But you're right...abortion/ weapons...very similar topics aren't they?


Next you'll be finding a link between gay marriage and the crisis in Haiti....

Jus' sayin
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But you're right...abortion/ weapons...very similar topics aren't they?
Apart from the claim that making money by killing innocents is somehow an expression of love, choice and freedom, no they don't really have very much in common.
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Apart from the claim that killing innocents is somehow an expression of love, choice and freedom, no they don't really have very much in common.

I think that's how you view killing, are you the sort of buddhist who won't harm anything? Abortion is a tricky subject, but if you're going to start defending embryos with this argument, you may as well say masturbation and periods are murder.
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Apart from the claim that killing innocents is somehow an expression of love and freedom, no they don't really have very much in common.
lol, you're barking up the wrong tree mate

you can't honestly, hand on your heart, seriously be suggesting that people who have an abortion are as bad as people who kill others (usually mass murder) with weapons?

what if someone was raped? are they expected to have that baby in your opinion, if they got pregnant from it?

everyone is entitled to their opinion, i understand some people are against the idea of abortion, but that comparison is just over the top!

i've never been in a position to need an abortion, but i absolutely don't judge the ladies that find themselves with that decision, it can't be easy.

also, there is a big difference in the fact that the child isn't born yet, i don't see it as murder at all. i see it as being responsible (admittedly, somewhat late), but it's better then them having the child that they don't want imagine being born into the world and your own mother doesn't even want you. the kinder act is to just have the abortion than to put a child through that.
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