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Medical termination is one of the hardest decision to make. Do you think they care for some theorists throwing their pseudo ethical harping into the game?
Good point. Abortions being illegal can also make life hell for those who need to medically abort a non-living fetus (no heartbeat) or a severely malformed fetus that has no chance of survival.
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Wow. I really get the whole thread now. I think most people do, after the quote above. What a mysogenistic load of BS. I have always enjoyed your posts, really. But started to have an idea of this weirdness earlier in the thread, but when it's out in the open, ugh. I am sorry there are men like you who see the whole "termination" the way you do. No wonder you want to take the rights away from those unethical creatures who have no heart, no morals and are only irresponsible, careless breeders.
Sigh. I don't want to take rights away from anyone. But many, if not most terminations are for socio-economic or convenience reasons. There aren't that many rapes, and I feel that each abortion is a tragedy, not only for the prospective mother.



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I have not met many people who would not have a worse insight into the problem than this. Morality? You have a mouthful of ethics yet dare to throw this stereotying, tasteless bull about something so the oposite of convenience, man - I feel I am ethically oblidged to say: You have no idea. Your desire for morals makes you unfortunately act unethically.
But I haven't acted unethically. This is a discussion. You must accept that abortions undergone by a mixture of people for a variety of reasons. If the discussion is brought into the open then those people who view the termination of the "life" of an organism with fingers and toes and eyes and a brain and a beating heart because it'll get in the way of their career, as acceptable might shy away from it. If all we talk about it is that foetuses are nothing and that it's the absolute right of a woman to do with them as she pleases then the great majority might not consider all sides of the coin before acting. It's heartening that you have such faith in humanity, but I have seen the cold reality of this.


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It is still suggested in some cases to women to medically terminate even in 7-8mo of preg rather than deliver full term and watch your week old baby die. Because then it takes many years to pull oneself together after that. If ever.
Now this makes me angry. You want to kill an 8 month "foetus" because it's hard for the mother to watch the kid die after birth? Are you out of your mind?
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I'd also like to say for the record that I don't think abortions should be illegal. However I do think they should be recognised for the tragedy they are.
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Re: First Ever Commercial For Abortion on British TV

Economisto, your statement as quoted by MusickChick and Bartholomew paints women with a pretty broad and dirty brush. It is clearly an extremely painful and difficult decision for a woman to make, ending a pregnancy.

As you are normally very specific in your arguments I have a hard time believing that the comment was unintentionaly broad or vague.

I would hope then that you believe the following: If we lift laws against murder, men will be out in the streets in a bloodbath.

At least then we can consider both genders unable to function ethically without the help of law.
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Economisto, your statement as quoted by MusickChick and Bartholomew paints women with a pretty broad and dirty brush. It is clearly an extremely painful and difficult decision for a woman to make, ending a pregnancy.

As you are normally very specific in your arguments I have a hard time believing that the comment was unintentionaly broad or vague.

I would hope then that you believe the following: If we lift laws against murder, men will be out in the streets in a bloodbath.

At least then we can consider both genders unable to function ethically without the help of law.
Great point. Of course both men and women can function equally ethically. The difference is that commonly we derive our ethics from our environment, and most people are taught, either literally or through osmosis, that murder is wrong. They aren't taught that about abortion. Many, especially economic disadvantaged women, do view abortion as a viable option. I would like to see this changed and make the easiest option to have the child, even though it might cost us all more.
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I'd also like to say for the record that I don't think abortions should be illegal. However I do think they should be recognised for the tragedy they are.
Of course it is tragic. But it is insensitive labelling of women who undergo the tragedy, that makes it even more tragic. They often have to decide for it eventhough their heart tells them not to but they have no means or the child is sick. Everybody feels for the unborn child, of course. Let's not forget the woman who is grieving. She is alive and she must go on. Abortion is not just one of those period kind of things nobody talks about, since it is nothing. It is an undignifying, humiliating operation, when you feel the worst in your life. So, keep your only a few percentage of rapes, medical terminations, or whatever stats to yourself, please. Your sweeping statements on convenience. And the images of how cute 6mo old featuses are. There are people around us, who are still grieving because they cannot have them cute little featuses inside. Tasteless.

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..But many, if not most terminations are for socio-economic or convenience reasons.
That's what buggs me. It is never convenient. It is always killing your child, no matter what. Most girls want babies. So, what crappy situation in life it is when she has to decide either to kill her unborn child or give it basically no life if her socioeconomic situation is bad. It is not always her fault her socioecono situ is not good enough to provide. And what about adoptions, I know. But I wouldn't survive the guilt of giving my child away to somebody else. What crappy choices are those? And you speak of convenience?

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But I haven't acted unethically. This is a discussion. You must accept that abortions undergone by a mixture of people for a variety of reasons. If all we talk about it is that foetuses are nothing and that it's the absolute right of a woman to do with them as she pleases then the great majority might not consider all sides of the coin before acting.
Nobody says here featuses are nothing. That's the thing. You keep expecting that kind of line from prochoicers. And the variety of reasons for abortions, of course there are. But you keep throwing statements like
"women will see it all as a convenience, as something one step beyond the morning after pill. ...", that's very bad discussion ethics, methinks. Generalizing. Plus the choice of vocabulary, like.."pleases". Oh, boy. A woman does not treat her featus as she pleases. There is nothing pleasing. There is only a choice of two things. Most affected people will see more than two sides of the coin. Since they yearn for hope, for some other, miracle, option. But there are often only two distinct ways to deal with it, and often both of them are unimaginably hard. And often, the girl is in it alone.

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Well, you know what, old boy, me too. And girls and women around me trust me enough to share their grief. You would be shocked how frequent and silent this hell is. Nature makes it even harder on them, the hormons, the images of their child, what could be...etc. Unimaginable.

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Who said that?
Docs do it. Last case I read about was 7mo.
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Old 25.05.2010, 22:41
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Because I'm bored of multiquote magic, and getting tired of being misinterpreted and misquoted (repeatedly), I'll say this:

If you think I've been generalising negatively about women, you've been generalising positively: no, not all girls want babies, not all women think an abortion is "tragic". I don't know where you come from but in Britain there is no socio-economic situation where the unborn child will have "no life".

At the end of the day, barring very few cases, termination is a choice. Not an easy or nice one, but a choice none the less. I believe more people will make that choice if they believe it's just a few cells than if it looks like that. Not all women. Maybe not even most (I don't have numbers). But some.

I don't understand why you'd tell me to keep my stats to myself. I'm not sitting in judgement of women who decided to terminate a pregnancy, and we discuss other very tough subjects on this forum. Nor will I stand for it for my views to be painted as insensitive or ugly. I beleive I have outlined what I think in a clear and concise manner many pages back. The fact that you meet each post with such righteous indignation does not mean the world will fall into line with what you believe.
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But it will not fall into line with what you believe either Economisto.

Yesterday it was an interesting debate, tonight it took a different sadder turn didn't it ?

Having your guts ripped out, and knowing what you are doing must be horrendous for any woman without on top having to put up with the world's opinion.

In regards to rape, you do not know and you wouldn't be able to tell if you looked a person in the eyes. It's not written on their face, but maybe on their soul. So I wouldn't generalize there.

In regards to serious malformations leaving a baby severly handicapped and incapable of a normal life, well it really is debatable. Depends what you consider the definition of love (as strange as this may seem to you)

In regards to choice, it's often a woman faced with this predicament alone. And yet she didn't get there by herself. So maybe male education could help to work towards your principles.

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Because I'm bored of multiquote magic, and getting tired of being misinterpreted and misquoted (repeatedly), I'll say this:

If you think I've been generalising negatively about women, you've been generalising positively: no, not all girls want babies, not all women think an abortion is "tragic". I don't know where you come from but in Britain there is no socio-economic situation where the unborn child will have "no life".

At the end of the day, barring very few cases, termination is a choice. Not an easy or nice one, but a choice none the less. I believe more people will make that choice if they believe it's just a few cells than if it looks like that. Not all women. Maybe not even most (I don't have numbers). But some.

I don't understand why you'd tell me to keep my stats to myself. I'm not sitting in judgement of women who decided to terminate a pregnancy, and we discuss other very tough subjects on this forum. Nor will I stand for it for my views to be painted as insensitive or ugly. I beleive I have outlined what I think in a clear and concise manner many pages back. The fact that you meet each post with such righteous indignation does not mean the world will fall into line with what you believe.
It is hard for women to listen to men telling them what to do with their bodies. You can only empathize, but you'll never have the experience. And I'm sure men don't want women to tell them what to do... grow taller, etc etc. It's just human nature.

In addition to all of the hormonal and bodily changes, imagine that you are a pregnant woman whose partner/lover/impregnator (to be crass) has decided that the pregnancy is an inconvenience to him. And if the woman can't have an abortion, she serves the purpose of an incubator....it is extremely life changing.

So economisto, I don't think you mean to be insenstive, but when you suggest that women are having abortions for convenience, I think you sound terribly insenstive. And at the very least, you must admit that yes, if an abortion is done for convenience sake, it might not just be the woman's convenience.

I do agree that an abortion is a tragedy. I think we need better education, birth control and the like. So if the function of this place is family planning, i.e., avoiding unintended or unwanted pregnancies... they deserve all the business they can get.
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But it will not fall into line with what you believe either Economisto.

Yesterday it was an interesting debate, tonight it took a different sadder turn didn't it ?

Having your guts ripped out, and knowing what you are doing must be horrendous for any woman without on top having to put up with the world's opinion.

In regards to rape, you do not know and you wouldn't be able to tell if you looked a person in the eyes. It's not written on their face, but maybe on their soul. So I wouldn't generalize there.

In regards to serious malformations leaving a baby severly handicapped and incapable of a normal life, well it really is debatable. Depends what you consider the definition of love (as strange as this may seem to you)

In regards to choice, it's often a woman faced with this predicament alone. And yet she didn't get there by herself. So maybe male education could help to work towards your principles.

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Yes you are correct in what you say. No one is saying these aren't the hardest choices in the world, nor am I saying I can imagine what it's like to go through the situation. But I thought this was obvious. This debate has taken on an odious note, though I'm not sure precisely why. I will depart from this debate by saying that I believe in abortions being 100% legal. However I do not believe the level of discussion and actual information is as public as it should be and therefore too many women will not be making a fully informed decision.
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It is hard for women to listen to men telling them what to do with their bodies. You can only empathize, but you'll never have the experience. And I'm sure men don't want women to tell them what to do... grow taller, etc etc. It's just human nature.

In addition to all of the hormonal and bodily changes, imagine that you are a pregnant woman whose partner/lover/impregnator (to be crass) has decided that the pregnancy is an inconvenience to him. And if the woman can't have an abortion, she serves the purpose of an incubator....it is extremely life changing.

So economisto, I don't think you mean to be insenstive, but when you suggest that women are having abortions for convenience, I think you sound terribly insenstive. And at the very least, you must admit that yes, if an abortion is done for convenience sake, it might not just be the woman's convenience.

I do agree that an abortion is a tragedy. I think we need better education, birth control and the like. So if the function of this place is family planning, i.e., avoiding unintended or unwanted pregnancies... they deserve all the business they can get.
Well, I do believe abortions should be freely open to women, though as before I think that there are far too many abortions and that a large proportion could be stopped with the right information. The image I posted was graphic. However I can't go and buy a packet of cigarettes without looking at a colour photograph of cancerated lungs. Not pleasant, but when I smoke that cigarette I will be fully informed. I don't want to interfere with anyone, but I question the massive definitional devide that many have placed on the act of birth - that the reality is nothing too much changes with the foetus/baby.
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However I do not believe the level of discussion and actual information is as public as it should be and therefore too many women will not be making a fully informed decision.

You are right about one thing... Abortion is a far more difficult process physically and emotionally than described - both by advocates for and those against.
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Re: First Ever Commercial For Abortion on British TV

Eh, I don't mean to sound offensive, probably as much as you don't hate women. I just know for a fact that for all women around who had to go through this situation, the child was never ever just a few cells. Nature forces a woman think light-years ahead. I might be lucky, or chose my environment somewhat or karma, who knows, but the women around me have never taken this lightheartedly.

I have a feeling the availabilty of abortion is not because society wouldn't value human life, but because society is actually valuing human life, is trying to help the disadvantaged women who happen to be in a very difficult situation. Not because society does not think things trough. I agree with educating everybody. Girls, boys, parents, husbands...

I think the debate has taken a weird turn, after reading some odd stuff about females. To just state these kind of facts without expecting anyone having any feelings about it is unrealistic.

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Well, I do believe abortions should be freely open to women, though as before I think that there are far too many abortions and that a large proportion could be stopped with the right information. The image I posted was graphic. However I can't go and buy a packet of cigarettes without looking at a colour photograph of cancerated lungs. Not pleasant, but when I smoke that cigarette I will be fully informed. I don't want to interfere with anyone, but I question the massive definitional devide that many have placed on the act of birth - that the reality is nothing too much changes with the foetus/baby.
Hmmm...My objection to using certain generalizing facts and images in this is I guess the fact how sensible the issue is for people who had to go through it or who know people who went through it. To use these arguments together with "women are careless" kind of sentiment is gonna of course push a few buttons. Well, mine, haha...

Life is not a well tempered sensible debate over issues. People react according to their believes and priorities, in an unpredictable manner, especially over sensitive issues. Tread carefully, that's all I wanted to point out.
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Hmmm...My objection to using certain generalizing facts and images in this is I guess the fact how sensible the issue is for people who had to go through it or who know people who went through it. To use these arguments together with "women are careless" kind of sentiment is gonna of course push a few buttons. Well, mine, haha...

Life is not a well tempered sensible debate over issues. People react according to their believes and priorities, in an unpredictable manner, especially over sensitive issues. Tread carefully, that's all I wanted to point out.
Well just to clarify, it's some women, but only the same percentage as with men, just happens that this decision is made by women exclusively. It's not that I don't trust women to make good decisions, it's that I don't trust people in general to make good decisions. And I feel that the various interests involved mean the decision taken by many women is coloured by a biased debate. I think, for example, if the government viewed abortions as "really terrible", it could allocate more resources to alternatives. In an ideal world for example, there would be no women (especially in Western countries) having an abortion for economic reasons.
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Nope, not debating women's rights. Debating whether these are women's rights.
This is the easiest way to take away people's rights. By denying that they are being taken away or that they even have the. This is how the Jim Crowe Laws stayed in place for so long in the USA, how Apartheid continued for so long, why segregation still exists in so many places.

The problem is for all of your arguments that you are subsuming a real persons rights by the "possibility" of a potential dilemma in some future that may or may never come. This is how people steal other people's rights and yet continue to pretend that they are somehow supporting that person in the bigger picture.

I don't personally like abortion, but I know of no one who actually does. But I support a woman's right to access this procedure. Whether or not it is murder remains to be proven. And until it is, everything else is mostly irrelevant.

Unless, of course we decide to go back in history and remove rights from women without an actual understanding of what is really happening. Is that what the objective is? I find it very interesting how people are so concerned about a clump of cells at a certain level of development and yet that same ball of cells falls of the radar after it is born. Protect their lives before they are born and yet there seems to be little political or social will to protect these same unborn once they get to early childhood. Even less concern seems to exist once they get to teen years and older.

Until someone actually proves something this is mostly a "tempest in a teacup." All anti abortion issues end at birth at which point it suddenly becomes the mother's complete responsibility and I have never seen society offer much in the way of help and support. Seems that society is more interested in branding the woman as societally unfit, the scarlet letter comes to mind. Where is the concern then? Until society sorts this out there is no rational argument against abortion that holds water.
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This commercial was discussed in my daughters English class and if anything at least 20 young teens might have thought for at least 30 minutes about the consequences of their acts. They were encouraged to watch it and were told the time slot (albeit a bit late for here 2310, the first showing).

Whether you are pro or con for abortion, that is a personal choice, but I can't think of anyone who is against planned prevention of a unwanted pregnancy.

If these commercials can save* a few lives, then I am thankful (especially if it is here in Switzerland).

*up to you to determine what "save" means.
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No wonder we're all such suckers for those pseudo romantic wishful thinking soap crap shit movies which is served up in cinemas, TV, commercials and such!!! Over saturation to make us forget ...

... that reality of life gets way too disturbing at times and hits everyone with the tough facts anyway no matter what and needs to be dealt with.

We will always have to look for ways to fix what we have broken, twisted, adjusted to however it suits us. Abortion is just one of them.
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I have a feeling the availabilty of abortion is not because society wouldn't value human life, but because society is actually valuing human life, is trying to help the disadvantaged women who happen to be in a very difficult situation.
If this was really true, then society would do more to help single mothers, for example financially or with support and services, or would offer more alternatives to abortion of unwanted babies such as fast-track adoption procedures (there are many more parents who want to adopt and want to offer the baby a warm and loving home than there are available babies. I'm speaking from bitter experience on this one). This is also a form of "family planning". However, none of this is being pursued with anywhere near the same energy as abortion. Therefore I don't buy your argument. Abortion is usually cheaper and easier than any of this and at the end of the day that's waht it boils down to.
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