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First Ever Commercial For Abortion on British TV

Channel 4 are broadcasting the first ever commercial for abortion clinics (family planning centres).

Critics say that the advertiser avoids use the word abortion or termination (as these are too negative and taboo) and that advertising makes abortion seem like a business commodity.

I wonder which advertisers will want to avoid their commercials running immediately afterwards.
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Re: First Ever Commercial For Abortion on British TV

it is about time they did something like this.
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If it's a legal business, then there is no valid reason why they shouldn't be permitted to advertise their services.
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Cigarettes are a legal business. They aren't allowed to advertise.
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Cigarettes are a legal business. They aren't allowed to advertise.

They used to and still advertise in Magazines....
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They used to and still advertise in Magazines....
Not in the UK they don't. Almost all forms of tobacco advertising is banned in the UK. Moreover, this is irrelevant - if a perfectly legal product is subject to stringent marketing regulation, my point is made. Legality is pretty much a binary state, regulation isn't.
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Re: First Ever Commercial For Abortion on British TV

While it's certainly a dreary topic for a commercial, it's important. I meet people from all over the world and it's interesting that none of them really know about abortion and how to access it if they need it, and might be too embarrassed to ask. So, television may be the way to go. I'd consider it a public information campaign rather than product advertising. Like the commercials for mammography or erectile disfunction...
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I'd consider it a public information campaign rather than product advertising.
Only inasmuch as all advertising can be termed a public information campaign. While this is not-for-profit, that isn't the actual definition or implication of the definition of "advertising". The polarising nature of this "product" or "information" at the very least makes this a little more than just public information.
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Cigarettes are a legal business. They aren't allowed to advertise.
I'm not British so can't comment on British culture. However, as an American (and a Swiss) I believe

- abortion should be legal
- abortion shouldn't be advertised
- Planned Parenthood services should be advertised
- Quality and quantity time should be spent on the education of preventing pregnancies and STDS
- I'm all for condom commercials

There will always be a need for abortions. The key is keeping the number of abortions needed to a minimum and that can only be done through education.
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The key is keeping the number of abortions needed to a minimum and that can only be done through education.
Looking at the state of Britain, one might suggest that it should be extended and introduced on a post-natal basis.
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I wonder which advertisers will want to avoid their commercials running immediately afterwards.

Indeed it would be very interesting to see how they place the commercial: during which timeslot, which programme... to see what demographic is being targeted.
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Indeed it would be very interesting to see how they place the commercial: during which timeslot, which programme... to see what demographic is being targeted.
Shameless, Big Brother, the X Factor, Hollyoaks...
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After school kids' TV to reduce the number of teenage pregnancies.
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Re: First Ever Commercial For Abortion on British TV

These are old figures, but it's high for UK (Wiki 2006, some 2005).

I am not sure what contributes to the UK teens having kiddos so early, boredom, lack of info, lack of parental attention, god fearing, not having cash for contraception, shame, who knows. But the figures are higher than everywhere else, so if they want to run a campaign on TV, they should, me thinks. The only thing to object is the mode they are doing it, if gov somehow took care of pre conception campaign and post conception campaign like other countries, maybe it wouldn't have to be some interest group having to run it as a commercial and expose themselves to unnecessary criticism.

The worst is becoming a parent because there is no other choice. I feel for those babies. Abortion and miscariage is very traumatic as it is for women and it still remains a taboo in society. Women deserve any help they can get, even if some consider it tasteless or morally objectionable.
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Re: First Ever Commercial For Abortion on British TV

I heard this related news item on the beeb the other day.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1345497.stm
That article is from 2001, but I heard it raised again last week.
Calling for aborted babies/foetuses to all be given the dignity of a burial / cremation.

Not sure how many people care about what happens to their problem afterwards. But I was surprised with this quote.
"We have had women who had stillbirths 20 or 30 years ago coming back to ask what happened to their baby."
Lesley Allen, Royal College of Nursing
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Only inasmuch as all advertising can be termed a public information campaign. While this is not-for-profit, that isn't the actual definition or implication of the definition of "advertising". The polarising nature of this "product" or "information" at the very least makes this a little more than just public information.
well, I just looked at the thing in question:



It certainly is advertising... a potentially useful service. I don't think that just because it's polarising it's more than just public information. Unless it's part of a deeper agenda of social engineering.
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I am not sure what contributes to the UK teens having kiddos so early, boredom, lack of info, lack of parental attention, god fearing, not having cash for contraception, shame, who knows. But the figures are higher than everywhere else
Here's a clue about the Brits perhaps:

The business advertising this service is Marie Stopes which is an anagram of "Easiest Romps"

and "I Stop Em, Arse"!
and relating to this thread, "Seamier Post"
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Re: First Ever Commercial For Abortion on British TV

Now I'm not so sure about the whole not-for-profit angle, especially after taking a look at the fees charged at this clinic:

http://www.mariestopes.org.uk/Fees/W.../Abortion.aspx

It seems like they might be making a little profit.

The rules about whether or not an abortion is covered by the NHS are confusing.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/abortio...roduction.aspx

In Toronto, Canada, abortion is totally funded for all residents no questions asked and the last time I checked it was around $300 for non-residents, accompanied by a profuse apology for having to charge at all...
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Re: First Ever Commercial For Abortion on British TV

I'm not going to say whether it's right or wrong advertising such services - i'm sitting on the fence with this one.

However I have to ask if the NHS has cut down on the number of abortions it performs, or have the rules become more stringent (new laws aside)?Everybody knows abortion is available on the NHS, so the question is why would anybody pay, at the point of service, to have an abortion?

The reason I ask is that if the NHS has cut back, and toughend the rules, then the advertisment is effectively saying "If the NHS won't do it, we will". If that's not the case then I can't see they're doing anything other than raising awareness of the Marie Stopes clinics, and the services thay offer.

Another thought is that given the Marie Stopes clinics satus as a non profit oganisation, it could be a combined raising awareness campaign, and a method to dump money.

Here's the "pricelist" by the way http://www.mariestopes.org.uk/Fees/W.../Abortion.aspx
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I heard this related news item on the beeb the other day.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1345497.stm
That article is from 2001, but I heard it raised again last week.
Calling for aborted babies/foetuses to all be given the dignity of a burial / cremation.

Not sure how many people care about what happens to their problem afterwards. But I was surprised with this quote.
"We have had women who had stillbirths 20 or 30 years ago coming back to ask what happened to their baby."
Lesley Allen, Royal College of Nursing
Yeah, actually, lot of women decide to have their still born baby burried. If you are really interested, there are forums that help women and families with grieving. And, most women I know absolutely do not refer to their unborn, aborted or miscaried child as "their problems", when they think about it. The whole thing goes beyond that reasoning, people always worry, think, imagine and grieve, no matter how quick the decision was or had to be. Nature made us this way. And painfully so. Feelings go beyond thoughts.

If it is a money oriented activity, shame on them. If it does help, though, any girl in a tough situation, I think that is good.

Pestalozzi wrote a big paper on enfanticide in 1780s. He was very interested in social reasons girls were forced to kill their newborns. Girls, often children themselves were killed as a punishment for murdering their children. He was Swiss, very progressive in his time to campaign for dignity, chance for decent life, for those newborns but also for those girls. It was a plea to society not have things run into the worst possible conditions..Sorry for OT, this talk just reminded me his thoughtful writing.
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