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Old 28.05.2010, 10:08
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Pictures of North Korea

North Korea, a complete time warp. Quite incredible how the authorities seem to have sucked the life out of absolutely everything.

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North Korea, a complete time warp. Quite incredible how the authorities seem to have sucked the life out of absolutely everything.

Our complaints corner? The North Koreans could put one or two of our complainants in their place:

http://www.mrlevek.com/northkorea.htm

Hmmmmm. I see nothing more than amateur snaps with some jaded and biased US commentary. The writer seems to have twisted a lot of things.

I didn't see that much to complain about and could have come up with worse shots in and around London etc... On the whole I think Mr Levek has failed.
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Old 28.05.2010, 10:36
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Re: Pictures of North Korea

N. Korea is not a place I would like to live in nor do I like their self appointed leader but those pictures look much better than some of the places I have been to.
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Old 28.05.2010, 10:38
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Re: Pictures of North Korea

Seems like arming themselves with vintage Chinese fighters is more of a priority than keeping hungry mouths fed. Earth Google snapshot of Pukchang airbase featuring MiG-19s and MiG-23s.
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North Korea, a complete time warp. Quite incredible how the authorities seem to have sucked the life out of absolutely everything.

Our complaints corner? The North Koreans could put one or two of our complainants in their place:

http://www.mrlevek.com/northkorea.htm
Propaganda, I say. Don't believe a word of it. These are all images of decadent South Korea. Capitalism has failed. Glorious North Korea will rise again, and take its place as the leader of the world, and all shall look to our exalted leader for guidance.
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Old 28.05.2010, 10:54
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N. Korea is not a place I would like to live in nor do I like their self appointed leader but those pictures look much better than some of the places I have been to.
Fully agree. The comments are rubbish, especially coming from a Russian. I once decided to make a long walk on my own through some "not so model" residential areas of Moscow and they did not look that much cooler at all. (and this was Moscow, not some more remote parts of the country.)

Most pictures could have easily been taken in some rural part of China and I did not see anything shoking or in fact extremely poor. The only really interesting bit were these decorated concrete blocks designed to block the road in case of an invasion.
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Old 28.05.2010, 10:56
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Re: Pictures of North Korea

What do you want? Photos of the death camps?
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Old 28.05.2010, 10:59
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What do you want? Photos of the death camps?
Death camps? Don't know what you mean. Do you mean the Liberation Camps, where those chosen few are released from the constraints of human existence?
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Old 28.05.2010, 11:01
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Of course I do . Sorry, my newspeak dictionary needs updating. Double plus good.
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Old 28.05.2010, 11:19
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Hmmmmm. I see nothing more than amateur snaps with some jaded and biased US commentary. The writer seems to have twisted a lot of things.

I didn't see that much to complain about and could have come up with worse shots in and around London etc... On the whole I think Mr Levek has failed.
I'd have to agree, take some snaps of lewisham, brixton, any council estate in just about any part of the uk and see how they compare
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Old 28.05.2010, 11:35
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Re: Pictures of North Korea

I found these pics fascinating. I think the point is that the heavily-chaperoned tourists are not meant to take photos of these buildings. It's interesting to see what they want to hide.

And I'd find it hard to imagine many other places in the world where you can take the "no cars for miles around" shots. They are cool. e.g. http://www.mrlevek.com/North%20Korea/northk57.jpg
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Old 28.05.2010, 11:39
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Re: Pictures of North Korea

Screw pictures..

Pleace check the VICE guide to North Korea..

2 americans went there and taped their experience...

I saw it about a year ago, pretty cool. Sadly the webpage is blocked @ work so I add a link to a more official source

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/as...rea/index.html
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Old 28.05.2010, 11:50
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What do you want? Photos of the death camps?
No, I do not expect a tourist to see those. But what you normally see and hear are soldiers, more soldiers and starving civilians. So if you have a chance to travel there and indeed decide to publish some of your holiday pictures, I would expect some more on "they are pretty poor, but I did not see civilians in the capital starving". Maybe it is just me, but I honestly do not care what video games they have, but some more social insights. And I found the comments sometimes completely wrong as in: old houses are bad - I personally would actually prefer to see more of the old Asian cultures preserved than teared down and replaced by uniform concrete cubes... but anyway: Interesting to see some pictures from behind one of the last borders a normal tourist cannot cross.

Here are some monster rabbits for North Korea: http://www.spiegel.de/international/...458863,00.html
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Old 28.05.2010, 11:56
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Fully agree. The comments are rubbish, especially coming from a Russian. I once decided to make a long walk on my own through some "not so model" residential areas of Moscow and they did not look that much cooler at all. (and this was Moscow, not some more remote parts of the country.)

Most pictures could have easily been taken in some rural part of China and I did not see anything shoking or in fact extremely poor. The only really interesting bit were these decorated concrete blocks designed to block the road in case of an invasion.
Sure, I've walked around neighbourhoods of French, British and even US cities that looked a lot more trashy than this.
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Old 28.05.2010, 12:00
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Re: Pictures of North Korea

Like many communist states the problem isn't the architecture/buildings themselves but the lives of the people within. Photos can't capture that. They can't even come close in a controlled environment such as N Korea.
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They can't even come close in a controlled environment such as N Korea.
How do we know ? Do we believe Western propaganda ? What do you think their lives are like and how do we even go about confirming our beliefs on North Korea ? ("Belief is the death of intelligence")

We find it comforting to believe all the crap we read because we can stop thinking about it.
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Re: Pictures of North Korea

You misinterpreted me; maybe I didn't word it well. What I meant was ... it's not possible to come close to photographing people's lives in a controlled environment. It wasn't a comment about those lives.

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You misinterpreted me; maybe I didn't word it well. What I meant was ... it's not possible to come close to photographing people's lives in a controlled environment. It wasn't a comment about those lives.

Who is this "we"?

Thanks for clarifying.
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Old 28.05.2010, 13:11
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Re: Pictures of North Korea

I used to work for a technology company back in 1988 - 1993. One of our clients was the State telephone company of North Korea and we were delivering the electronic components for equipping a new telephone exchange in Pyongyang.

Once everything was sort of in place (via trans-Siberian railway in old containers in the middle of winter) our technicians went to Pyongyang about 3 - 4 times to supervise installation. They came back with glowing reports about how friendly and kind everyone was, the food was great, the women were pretty etc. etc. even though they saw that the people were desperately poor and they themselves couldn't move an inch without a "guide". Very ambivalent stories Don't know what it's like now, but hardly very much better
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Old 28.05.2010, 13:13
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No, I do not expect a tourist to see those. But what you normally see and hear are soldiers, more soldiers and starving civilians. So if you have a chance to travel there and indeed decide to publish some of your holiday pictures, I would expect some more on "they are pretty poor, but I did not see civilians in the capital starving". Maybe it is just me, but I honestly do not care what video games they have, but some more social insights. And I found the comments sometimes completely wrong as in: old houses are bad - I personally would actually prefer to see more of the old Asian cultures preserved than teared down and replaced by uniform concrete cubes... but anyway: Interesting to see some pictures from behind one of the last borders a normal tourist cannot cross.

Here are some monster rabbits for North Korea: http://www.spiegel.de/international/...458863,00.html
I think you missed the point. He's not saying "old houses are bad", he's pointing out that the N.Koreans (attempt to) hide the old houses. At least, that's how I read it. And he did mention the old woman picking herbs "for her rabbits...".
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