It's nice to see Maslow here. What I think will become an increasing trouble with our kids later on, it does not seem a continuum anymore from one level to the higher one. Majority seems to long for the physical need (hedonistic) and an ego satisfaction (street cred, prestige, etc.). I think it requires an active approach of the community to change that (parents, relatives, school, etc.).

I am tired of trendy pretended activism, though.

Radical muslims "taking the piss" in Europe:

The politically-correct so-called equality point is right on ... although I wonder how much it says for the development of western culture when the comparison is to cultures engaged in honour-killings, etc.

Also, how free are we really? -- and based on reports (ignored by conventional media) yet readily available on the internet alternative news, we're rapidly losing many of the freedoms we take for granted ... seems we have a long, long way to go ....

we are really free. if you look at the reports (ignored by conventional media) yet readily available on the internet alternative news, we're rapidly gaining much more independence and freedom and this should be celebrated as human cultural development.

A prime example:

Modern western culture superior to any other culture ever ?


What a JOKE !

Welcome back Bertrand

For anyone who's not a) white, b) male, and c) heterosexual, it's not a joke and all, and I'm sure they prefer to live right here and right now than at any other time and place in history.

Actually... yes, and I'm not laughing.

That wasn't what this thread was about. I don't see that either culture is better than the other, both have pluses and both have negatives. The thread stank of 'my .... is bigger and better than yours' and was juvenile in its assessment of the differences between culture here and culture else where.

Many people see what they want to see, not what is reality.

We are a family that is an integration of West and East and appreciate the many facets of both cultures. One does not have to be better than the other.

acceptance of minorities absolutely is core to a culture, brush the question aside if you wish with an aloof "it's all just so childish to someone as clever as me" style response, however if you are one of said minorities you head to the most accepting culture, which is the current equal oppurtunites, equal rights, minority accepting one.

And which culture (not political establisment) does not accept minorities?

Whether that is true or not its doesn't mean that one culture is better than the other. How accepting of other religions do you think that Western Cultures are? Muslims, can't even build minarets here in Switzerland or is that something different?

That's the juvenile part of this debate. People see what they want to see.

We're not being juvenile about it. We're simply stating that a culture where people of all races, genders, and sexual orientations can live in harmony and equality might be preferrable for some. I don't see why you consider it so scandalous to use comparative qualifiers, that's just taking political correctness to the extreme. If being openly gay in one place can get you beheaded, and in another place not, then yeah, I'd say one society is better. Sorry for using the "b" word.

Jamacian culture is not as accepting of homosexuality as other cultures.

You've certainly got that bit right.

But hang on, being gay in the US can get you leached especially in the South, is this not part of the free society that you are dreaming off? In Thailand (the East) there is significant tolerance for men who would like to be ladies (commonly know as Kathoey) and most families will have at least one in their extended families. Would I be able to come to work as a man dressed in a skirt and make up and be accepted like I would be in Thailand. Probably not!

Not better, just different.

But in England you could and - AND - we love all religions. Conclusion: British Culture is the best in the world!

Moderator please close thread.

WTF - there is a valid discussion, what is it once its irrelevant to you the thread should be closed?

Perhaps this is the signs of oppressive cultural behaviour that is better?

Hate crime and discrimination laws FTW.