Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
View Poll Results: Castration - Cruel or Just ?
Castrate the ers ! 16 34.04%
Hang them and let God sort them out. 9 19.15%
The quality of mercy is not strained - rehabilitate ! 10 21.28%
Who gives a toss... these scum are evil. 7 14.89%
The offender is as much a victim. Counsel and cure. 5 10.64%
Voters: 47. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09.06.2010, 00:13
Upthehatters2008's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: In the kitchen at parties.
Posts: 4,540
Groaned at 204 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 6,078 Times in 2,378 Posts
Upthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond repute
Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

SOURCE

A Polish law that can force some rapists and paedophiles to undergo chemical castration has come into effect.


Chop off the hands of thieves, hang a murderer, castrate a sex offender.

Rehabilitation, justice , or vindictive cruel and unusual punishment ?


"ers" , please add a suitable four letter word in front. I've been suitably censored.

Last edited by Upthehatters2008; 09.06.2010 at 00:32.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09.06.2010, 00:23
Mrs T's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: By the water
Posts: 533
Groaned at 51 Times in 27 Posts
Thanked 425 Times in 200 Posts
Mrs T has become a little unpopular
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

Given the high relapse rate for sexual crimes, I'd be inclined towards chemical castration, but not sharia or capital punishement.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09.06.2010, 00:24
JLF JLF is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,187
Groaned at 10 Times in 8 Posts
Thanked 1,383 Times in 510 Posts
JLF has a reputation beyond reputeJLF has a reputation beyond reputeJLF has a reputation beyond reputeJLF has a reputation beyond reputeJLF has a reputation beyond reputeJLF has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

Where's the poll so we can vote?

EDIT: YAY! That is what I am talking about!!

Last edited by JLF; 09.06.2010 at 00:32. Reason: UTH added the poll!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09.06.2010, 00:27
Upthehatters2008's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: In the kitchen at parties.
Posts: 4,540
Groaned at 204 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 6,078 Times in 2,378 Posts
Upthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

Quote:
View Post
Given the high relapse rate for sexual crimes, I'd be inclined towards chemical castration. But no sharia or capital punishement.
I wonder what problems it may introduce, if the perp were frustrated, angry, 'chemically imbalanced' etc. He may want revenge (I guess it's statistically safe to use 'He')

Given that he will no longer have a fulfilling relationship with women, what would his feelings become towards women ?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09.06.2010, 00:31
portsmouth68's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Dubai
Posts: 871
Groaned at 32 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 779 Times in 381 Posts
portsmouth68 has a reputation beyond reputeportsmouth68 has a reputation beyond reputeportsmouth68 has a reputation beyond reputeportsmouth68 has a reputation beyond reputeportsmouth68 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

I guess it depends on whether you see our criminal system being based on rehabilitation or vengeance...
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09.06.2010, 00:33
Natasha's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: St Anton am Arlberg, Austria
Posts: 2,732
Groaned at 61 Times in 57 Posts
Thanked 3,248 Times in 1,167 Posts
Natasha has a reputation beyond reputeNatasha has a reputation beyond reputeNatasha has a reputation beyond reputeNatasha has a reputation beyond reputeNatasha has a reputation beyond reputeNatasha has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

"Who gives a toss... " as a poll option?

I would say not the rapist anymore.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09.06.2010, 00:33
Upthehatters2008's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: In the kitchen at parties.
Posts: 4,540
Groaned at 204 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 6,078 Times in 2,378 Posts
Upthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

Quote:
View Post
I guess it depends on whether you see our criminal system being based on rehabilitation or vengeance...
Can you rehabilitate a sex offender ? As mentioned above, repeat offences are very common.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09.06.2010, 00:37
Mrs T's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: By the water
Posts: 533
Groaned at 51 Times in 27 Posts
Thanked 425 Times in 200 Posts
Mrs T has become a little unpopular
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

Quote:
View Post
I wonder what problems it may introduce, if the perp were frustrated, angry, 'chemically imbalanced' etc. He may want revenge (I guess it's statistically safe to use 'He')

Given that he will no longer have a fulfilling relationship with women, what would his feelings become towards women ?
I saw a doccumentry some time ago about paedophiles and one asked repeatedly for chemical castration (cc), in a way, it's not their fault, by saying this, I am NOT excusing their behaviour, just sort of explaining it, it is a compulsion, like an addiction, and hard to fight, the chemical castration is helpful because it reduces, removes even, the compulsion. However, as you rightly ask, I have no idea how someone would react if they were c c but didn't want to be, does it remove all voilent compulsions, or just sexual ones?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09.06.2010, 00:39
JLF JLF is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,187
Groaned at 10 Times in 8 Posts
Thanked 1,383 Times in 510 Posts
JLF has a reputation beyond reputeJLF has a reputation beyond reputeJLF has a reputation beyond reputeJLF has a reputation beyond reputeJLF has a reputation beyond reputeJLF has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

So this article doesn't discuss it, but if it is predominantly a reversible "chemical castration", meaning (in my mind at least) that if you stop taking the drugs, you get your sex drive back, then I would (probably) be alright with that. Because in the meantime, you could attempt to rehabilitate "him", and if it became apparent that "he" was no longer a threat, you could take him off it (and vice versa).
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09.06.2010, 00:42
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

I'm often amused / appalled that the most painfully ill informed in our society have the most strident, shrill, and out spoken view points on subjects they have absolutely no knowledge about.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #11  
Old 09.06.2010, 00:45
Upthehatters2008's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: In the kitchen at parties.
Posts: 4,540
Groaned at 204 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 6,078 Times in 2,378 Posts
Upthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

Quote:
View Post
I'm often amused / appalled that the most painfully ill informed in our society have the most strident, shrill, and out spoken view points on subjects they have absolutely no knowledge about.
So just what is your point of view then ?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09.06.2010, 00:46
Upthehatters2008's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: In the kitchen at parties.
Posts: 4,540
Groaned at 204 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 6,078 Times in 2,378 Posts
Upthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

Quote:
View Post
"Who gives a toss... " as a poll option?

I would say not the rapist anymore.
I did ponder that option, I guess I was just trying to be all encompassing...
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09.06.2010, 00:47
portsmouth68's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Dubai
Posts: 871
Groaned at 32 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 779 Times in 381 Posts
portsmouth68 has a reputation beyond reputeportsmouth68 has a reputation beyond reputeportsmouth68 has a reputation beyond reputeportsmouth68 has a reputation beyond reputeportsmouth68 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

Quote:
View Post
Can you rehabilitate a sex offender ? As mentioned above, repeat offences are very common.
I'm not sure that Mrs T (no offense to Mrs T intended) is a legitimate source on whether sexual offender re-offend or not, show me that facts... either way I guess i am more interested in how people feel about the system rather than pure stats.

This is a complex subject and one where emotions will run high and one where people tend to talk in extremes whilst forgetting that there is often a level of ambiguity in many cases that can lead to false accusations.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank portsmouth68 for this useful post:
  #14  
Old 09.06.2010, 00:47
Mrs T's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: By the water
Posts: 533
Groaned at 51 Times in 27 Posts
Thanked 425 Times in 200 Posts
Mrs T has become a little unpopular
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

Quote:
View Post
I'm often amused / appalled that the most painfully ill informed in our society have the most strident, shrill, and out spoken view points on subjects they have absolutely no knowledge about.
Ignorance more often begets confidence than does knowledge, unfortunately

If you kow about this, I'd be very interested to read you
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09.06.2010, 00:50
Mrs T's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: By the water
Posts: 533
Groaned at 51 Times in 27 Posts
Thanked 425 Times in 200 Posts
Mrs T has become a little unpopular
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

Quote:
View Post
I'm not sure that Mrs T (no offense to Mrs T intended) is a legitimate source on whether sexual offender re-offend or not, show me that facts... either way I guess i am more interested in how people feel about the system rather than pure stats.

This is a complex subject and one where emotions will run high and one where people tend to talk in extremes whilst forgetting that there is often a level of ambiguity in many cases that can lead to false accusations.
No offence taken you are right, I am not an authority on the subject at all, I was simply saying what I remember from the doccumentry I saw.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 09.06.2010, 00:54
economisto
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

Of course I am totally against "chemcial castration" by force although I do believe that violent rapists should be send to prison forever.

The other thing is, I've been lead to believe (from TV and such) that rape is about control and power rather than sexual urges/frustration. If this is true then chemcial castration will make the rapist physically unable to have sex but will not remove the psychological need to violently control. Surely they will just do something different to women?

From an ethical standpoint (my ethics), it's unethical to force castration upon anyone. However if it is shown to prevent relapse then perhaps it can be offered as a parole option to the inmate, after a proper 20 year stretch.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #17  
Old 09.06.2010, 01:04
Gastro Gnome's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Zürich
Posts: 3,553
Groaned at 49 Times in 35 Posts
Thanked 2,856 Times in 1,550 Posts
Gastro Gnome has a reputation beyond reputeGastro Gnome has a reputation beyond reputeGastro Gnome has a reputation beyond reputeGastro Gnome has a reputation beyond reputeGastro Gnome has a reputation beyond reputeGastro Gnome has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

Only justifiable to resurrect a long imitated operatic voice.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 09.06.2010, 01:06
economisto
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

Quote:
View Post
Only justifiable to resurrect a long imitated operatic voice.
Well of course all my household staff take the CC pills daily.

Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #19  
Old 09.06.2010, 01:07
JLF JLF is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,187
Groaned at 10 Times in 8 Posts
Thanked 1,383 Times in 510 Posts
JLF has a reputation beyond reputeJLF has a reputation beyond reputeJLF has a reputation beyond reputeJLF has a reputation beyond reputeJLF has a reputation beyond reputeJLF has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

Quote:
View Post
The other thing is, I've been lead to believe (from TV and such) that rape is about control and power rather than sexual urges/frustration. If this is true then chemcial castration will make the rapist physically unable to have sex but will not remove the psychological need to violently control. Surely they will just do something different to women?
But pedophilia is not (usually).
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09.06.2010, 01:09
economisto
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Castration - a solution or vindictive cruel act ?

Quote:
View Post
But pedophilia is not (usually).
Fair enough. Even so, my post stands. Send em to jail forever or give them the CC option to get released after a substantial term.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Good bye cruel world! Now hand me that gherkin... litespeed General off-topic 6 31.03.2010 01:40
“Sei schlau – Stell dich dumm!” [be smart, act dumb; how do you act at work?] MaryThomi General off-topic 12 23.03.2010 10:58
Cruel and unusual torture from the neighbours (or What's With The German Disco?) Guest Complaints corner 83 10.07.2009 19:55
random act of kindness born2run Daily life 35 09.06.2009 15:07
Single cat - cruel? Castro Pet corner 26 13.09.2008 03:08


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 10:54.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0