"The Qur’anic text seems to have no beginning, middle, or end, its nonlinear structure being akin to a web or net."

So, basically, I guess the only reasoning for statements such as his is that everyone, and I mean everyone, can interpret the Koran every which way they want!
That´s why it´s hard for me to understand pros and cons about the whole book issue, I simply can´t get a simple answer as to what exactly is written in there!

True, especially people not well educated and of course a few educated anr rich

Where do you want to get with these statements?

From his rhetorics and appearance - after all he can give better speeches than pretty much the entire Swiss Bundesrat - or any other Swiss politician that comes to my mind. But his statements in the line of "15% of all Muslims in Europe are not violent yet - but support terroristic ideals" are a bit stronger than the simple "I do not want to see Burkas in Switzerland" standpoints.

He is smart - and dangerous. He manages to package many ideas into a wrapper even I as a relative progressive person can immdediately support: He talks about the "Leitkultur" discussion, he says that we need to defend the values of our constitutions - and I am fully agreeing. And suddenly he says something like "Muslim women wearing headscarves (I believe he calls them "rags" instead) should pay 1000 Euro tax for visual polution", or "I suggest to change the first paragraoh of our constitution into "The Netherlands have a dominant culture of Christianity, Judaism and Humanism, all other cultures need to subordinate themselves in this value system"...

So yes: He sometimes manages to speak for five minutes and I am entirely agreeing - and suddenly shows his own definition of tolerance again. Nearly tricking me into believing that he has an honest agenda is something the Swiss right-wing has never managed.

You could try reading it, there are translations.

I'm in two minds on this one, free speech is good and all, and I'm not for any book or religion having special protection, but this guy is a real manipulative little git.

I think it's the hypocrisy that really gets me, as pointed out earlier, for every line they find in the koran that's distasteful, you'll find a similar line in someone else's little holy book.

People have moved on despite their religions and assuming that just because someone is born into a faith, they must automatically be a rabid fundamentalist is utterly unjust.

I have to agree with you on this one, but simply because when he talks he kinda makes sense, he elaborates and sticks to what he believes in.
However, extremists just simply scare me, to be honest, and in any way I try not to be one, so if he continues to really talk down on the whole religion than somewhere down the line he will definitely lose this little common sense that he has.

Aren't they forbidden in France already ?

Like Israel ?

I just tried reading it, and like I said earlier it can be tricky understanding it. But I guess that kinda goes both ways - the Bible can also be missunderstood if you ask me.

I am not sure why I answer...

In Islam it says that the Quran came on earth from the heaven. Apparently, no one beside God wrote the book. It cames down to Mohammed.

Nope, you didn't understand. The Bible is a story about Jesus from his birth to his death and some relatives. The Quran is a book of rules about what is good and what is bad. Most of the rules in the book are having roots from the Bible and the Torah.

Mohammed never rejected the other two religions. The only difference is Jesus was not the son of God but a prophete like all the others. The angels are the same and apparently Marie was a virgin as well.

The Bible has been written by human who did follow the Christ. The Quran came from God Himself.

Finally someone making sense..
Thank you for elaborating.
(don´t forget to groan at one of my posts)

I'm pretty sure many christians will tell you the bible was also divinely inspired and infallible.

Bible has issues of it´s own, don´t even go there.

Here, happy?

No, that is a Burka - I thought he was talking about the pretty normal headscarve... the one that shows the face.

A good example for my last post: I can agree to minutes of talking including his defence of the freedom of speech and he speaks so well that he is interesting to listen to. But suddenly he suggests to lock up "terror suspects" who did not do anything yet - based on what the intelligence service thinks they said. "Administrative detention" based on hearsay -What freedom of speech is that exactly?

Maybe a part of it, but what about Marc, John, Mathieu and thing? They wrote their part years after Jesus was dead...

But ya, we shouldn't go there.... it could be very interesting actually!

Yes thank you. Something just didn´t seem right.
Now back on the topic please, we don´t want to be grounded, do we?

Don't even go where?

To say that the bible is somehow different than the quran in this context is just wrong.

"Fitna"

if someone wants to watch, I haven´t seen it yet, so I can´t wait to see and hear what he actually said.

Go to you tube if you want to watch this..

Easy: Jesus is not God, he is God's son. God is a trinity of father, son and spirit and the apostels were all filled by the holy spirit on pentecost, so their writing is just as good as if it was written by Jesus himself (which no part of the bible is...)

I don't follow theology too closely, it's all bunk to me. but it's still divinely guided. (according to christians, of course)