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Lob 12.07.2007 10:07

[UK news] Proposed "Fat tax"
 
Read about it here....

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It would mean the cost of some of Britain's favourite foods like pizza, chips and chocolate, going up in price.
Now tell me I'm way-off here but I predict that, if this "tax" came into existence, people would still buy junk food and I would expect the poorer folk near the breadline to be a significant consumer of such goods.

They would not change their habits and therefore the poor would become poorer and no more healthy.

Does anyone agree? Does anyone see fewer people smoking because duty on cigarettes was increased (for example)?

Polorise 12.07.2007 10:09

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Originally Posted by Lob Rockster (Post 82278)
Read about it here....



Now tell me I'm way-off here but I predict that, if this "tax" came into existence, people would still buy junk food and I would expect the poorer folk near the breadline to be a significant consumer of such goods.

They would not change their habits and therefore the poor would become poorer and no more healthy.

Does anyone agree? Does anyone see fewer people smoking because duty on cigarettes was increased (for example)?

Good news for Aldi ......:D

Blonaybear 12.07.2007 10:49

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Originally Posted by Lob Rockster (Post 82278)
Read about it here....



Now tell me I'm way-off here but I predict that, if this "tax" came into existence, people would still buy junk food and I would expect the poorer folk near the breadline to be a significant consumer of such goods.

They would not change their habits and therefore the poor would become poorer and no more healthy.

Does anyone agree? Does anyone see fewer people smoking because duty on cigarettes was increased (for example)?

I Agree.

UK politicians seem to beleive that they can control every aspect of lift by one simple measure, if they think itís bad for you then TAX it. If they really want to improve public health how about starting with clean hospitals ?

Just waiting for them to realise that the UK population is going to get too big for the island and they must stop making babies. The No Nookie tax is probably being planned right now !

cyrus 12.07.2007 10:51

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Originally Posted by Lob Rockster (Post 82278)
Read about it here....



Now tell me I'm way-off here but I predict that, if this "tax" came into existence, people would still buy junk food and I would expect the poorer folk near the breadline to be a significant consumer of such goods.

They would not change their habits and therefore the poor would become poorer and no more healthy.

Does anyone agree? Does anyone see fewer people smoking because duty on cigarettes was increased (for example)?

Maybe it'll create a black market for junk food, just like tobacco.

Shady geezers in pubs selling big macs from france. "Here mate, wanna buy a "Royale"?".

Polorise 12.07.2007 10:51

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Originally Posted by Blonaybear (Post 82309)
I Agree.

UK politicians seem to beleive that they can control every aspect of lift by one simple measure, if they think itís bad for you then TAX it. If they really want to improve public health how about starting with clean hospitals ?

Just waiting for them to realise that the UK population is going to get too big for the island and they must stop making babies. The No Nookie tax is probably being planned right now !

it's getting worse .... they now instigated a Ministry of Justice ffs !!!! :eek:
Judge Dredd anyone .... :msnsarcastic:

PlantHead 12.07.2007 11:05

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What about the argument though that if you eat rubbish junk food you are more likely to be ill, therefore costing the state more in medical care....so tax the fat bloaters at source to pay for the medical care they will eventually need.

I reckon that's their real thinking, and they just dress it up by saying it will help people be healthier.

gbn 12.07.2007 11:18

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Originally Posted by PlantHead (Post 82327)
What about the argument though that if you eat rubbish junk food you are more likely to be ill, therefore costing the state more in medical care....so tax the fat bloaters at source to pay for the medical care they will eventually need.

I reckon that's their real thinking, and they just dress it up by saying it will help people be healthier.

Extreme sporters... smokers... drinkers... car accident victims.. old people...
Just where do you draw the line?

Pick one: Old people occupy a huge number of NHS beds and cost a lot of money. Euthanase the lot of 'em?

And the state does not pay.
The state has no money per se, it is funded by taxation

And finally, shall we tax those people who don't appear for appointments?
How much time therefore money is wasted on no-shows

Lob 12.07.2007 11:20

Re: [UK news] Proposed "Fat tax"
 
Indeed; anyone been to A&E on a Saturday afternoon and seen the number of sports injuries?

Uncle Max 12.07.2007 11:24

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Originally Posted by PlantHead (Post 82327)
What about the argument though that if you eat rubbish junk food you are more likely to be ill, therefore costing the state more in medical care....so tax the fat bloaters at source to pay for the medical care they will eventually need.

I reckon that's their real thinking, and they just dress it up by saying it will help people be healthier.

Is there anything intrinsically wrong with this approach? If 3000 people less die each year, for the sake of 67p extra :rolleyes: There are a lot of obese people who are malnourished. Crap in = Crap out. You're free to eat crap, just don't expect the Welfare State to carry the cost if you're irresponsible. However I doubt the taxes would be used directly for obesity prevention...

(Anyone coming to play footie on Sunday? Come on, Lardy :D)

Guest 12.07.2007 11:27

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Originally Posted by Lob Rockster (Post 82278)
Does anyone see fewer people smoking because duty on cigarettes was increased (for example)?

A good friend of mine did her PhD in studying the efficacy of various anti-smoking tactics (implementing bans in public places, raising prices, restricting advertising, printing warnings on packages, etc.) and she said that there is a definite correlation between increased tobacco taxes and a reduction in smoking rate. It's true that many people will choose to continue to smoke, but for some people the increased cost of smoking does provide the final impetus for them to quit. So implementing this type of policy to reduce the smoking rate is based on fact, and not just opinion.

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Originally Posted by Blonaybear
Just waiting for them to realise that the UK population is going to get too big for the island and they must stop making babies. The No Nookie tax is probably being planned right now !

Seen this?

HeatherM

Lob 12.07.2007 11:32

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Originally Posted by HeatherM (Post 82346)
A good friend of mine did her PhD in studying the efficacy of various anti-smoking tactics (implementing bans in public places, raising prices, restricting advertising, printing warnings on packages, etc.) and she said that there is a definite correlation between increased tobacco taxes and a reduction in smoking rate. It's true that many people will choose to continue to smoke, but for some people the increased cost of smoking does provide the final impetus for them to quit. So implementing this type of policy to reduce the smoking rate is based on fact, and not just opinion.

I can imagine that there are some who quit based on price but compared to non-addictive consumer items, the price increase must be significant.

Sounds like an interesting thesis though.

AbFab 12.07.2007 11:38

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'Poor' people eat junk food because it's cheap. Make it more expensive and they might eat fruit otherwise "let them eat cake".

You can't have a nanny state without nanny poking her nose in now and again...

Richard 12.07.2007 11:47

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Originally Posted by HeatherM (Post 82346)
So implementing this type of policy to reduce the smoking rate is based on fact, and not just opinion.

No, no, no... A thesis is rarely fact. It is a reasoned opinion or view on a subject submitted for academic review. Only when it is able to be proved is it fact. And why people give up smoking is a complex web of factors and not a single key point. Those who yearn to be famous and wealthy in a world where only the wealthy can smoke would find smoking more attractive...

I would argue that the key, the killer criteria is social acceptability. If it is not socially acceptable fewer will do it. Then would come legislation prohibiting it and then price. But I did not write a PHD on the subject and therefore have no idea. Just I cannot see a great difference between smoking and drinking wrt to this point and the order I have quoted is the generally accepted viewpoint on alcohol...

cyrus 12.07.2007 11:48

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Originally Posted by AbFab (Post 82355)
'Poor' people eat junk food because it's cheap. Make it more expensive and they might eat fruit otherwise "let them eat cake".

You can't have a nanny state without nanny poking her nose in now and again...


I'm not sure that's really true, even given cheaper alternatives, people still want their crap.

I'll always remember the image of the mums dealing fish and chips through the school fence because the school decided to stop selling junk food.

Uncle Max 12.07.2007 11:52

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It might be an idea to introduce cookery classes in schools, as mentioned in todays UK news. I have plenty of friends who don't have a clue about ingredients, nutrition, RDA% etc. And they're not dumb people, it's just still not part of the culture, no matter how many cookery shows we have. Have you seen the number of junk food adverts there are on UK TV?

PlantHead 12.07.2007 11:53

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Originally Posted by cyrus (Post 82361)
I'm not sure that's really true, even given cheaper alternatives, people still want their crap.

I'll always remember the image of the mums dealing fish and chips through the school fence because the school decided to stop selling junk food.

Thats the Jamie Oliver school dinners thing huh?

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Originally Posted by Richard
Just I cannot see a great difference between smoking and drinking wrt to this point and the order I have quoted is the generally acceptedviewpoint on alcohol...

And smoking and fast food are different from alcohol surely, in that drinking some alcohol is better for you than drinking no alcohol.

Uncle Max 12.07.2007 11:54

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Originally Posted by PlantHead (Post 82364)
Thats the Jamie Oliver school dinners thing huh?

And smoking and fast food are different from alcohol surely, in that drinking some alcohol is better for you than drinking no alcohol.

It's a cold heart which never rejoices...

WorldTraveller 12.07.2007 12:03

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Not another tax! The department needed to determine who pays that tax alone is going to cost the tax payer more than the tax collected! It's not as if obese people don't know that being fat is bad for their health. You can be sure that this tax will eventually mutate into another stealth tax!

Guest 12.07.2007 12:15

Re: [UK news] Proposed "Fat tax"
 
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Originally Posted by HeatherM (Post 82346)
A good friend of mine did her PhD in studying the efficacy of various anti-smoking tactics (implementing bans in public places, raising prices, restricting advertising, printing warnings on packages, etc.) and she said that there is a definite correlation between increased tobacco taxes and a reduction in smoking rate. It's true that many people will choose to continue to smoke, but for some people the increased cost of smoking does provide the final impetus for them to quit. So implementing this type of policy to reduce the smoking rate is based on fact, and not just opinion.

Seen this?

HeatherM

This the same people who rejoiced over the large drop in the number of smokers in Ireland after a ban came in, only to find 3 months later it was virtually back to normal?

Have you been a smoker?? If not don't feel free to speak for us that choose to smoke! :rolleyes:

Someone's already said it, but these comments are unproven.

You can't force anyone to stop anything legal, taxation works to an extent, but it will never stop people from smoking/drinking or eating crap food.

Ask the UK govt cigarettes are probably the most expensive in Europe, but people are still smoking!

The best bet to make smoking unacceptable in society is to raise the age to 21, cutting off the kids picking it up each year, perhaps raising the bar by 1 year each year. With free access for smokers to giving up smoking tools. Tutting, jumping up and down or banning it from bars will not stop everyone from smoking.

You also have to accept some people do not want to give up.

A good idea would be to offer subsidies on fruit/veg etc. The other problem with "fat foods" is they tend to come with masses of packaging which is bad for the environment.

Years ago people would cook food in the UK, now it seems most sit in front of the TV eating nuked curries and take outs?

Guest 12.07.2007 12:18

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Originally Posted by gbn (Post 82336)
Extreme sporters... smokers... drinkers... car accident victims.. old people...
Just where do you draw the line?

Pick one: Old people occupy a huge number of NHS beds and cost a lot of money. Euthanase the lot of 'em?

And the state does not pay.
The state has no money per se, it is funded by taxation

And finally, shall we tax those people who don't appear for appointments?
How much time therefore money is wasted on no-shows

Well I did warn you guys in another thread about smoking. These people are going too far! :mad:


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