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Old 12.11.2010, 13:03
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I love the U.S.A

American day:

Eat cheerios, pop-tarts
Watch breakfast TV
Get in SUV to go to work
Stop on way and have a stack of pancakes with drip coffee.
Pick up a Starbucks to sip for the rest of journey
Sing the Star-spangled-banner.
Drink sweet cola
Go to McDonalds for Lunch
Make racist remarks about President
Drink sweet cola
Drive home via Taco bell.
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Have more cookies and milk
Sleep (snoring loudly)

I wonder why they can't understand that they are not the role-model for the world when they think they are.

Let's not be too stereo-typical, eh?

I can see your sentiment but I think the part you are leaving out and the basic reason for US to be something of a role-model is that you CAN do all of that and STILL not be killed for it... unlike in some other places.
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I can see your sentiment but I think the part you are leaving out and the basic reason for US to be something of a role-model is that you CAN do all of that and STILL not be killed for it... unlike in some other places.
and kill others for some oil needs
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Old 12.11.2010, 13:17
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Re: dying for a drink (death sentence for Pakistani woman)

What the western folks love is to ride the high horse and lecture about Islam, or whatever poor sod country, admittedly doing loony stuff and in a blatant way.

However if you accumulate all the deaths that the West, in particular the US, causes knowingly in the rest of the world, through dodgy pharma deals, arms deals and a host of other subtle deals, and less subtle wars, it will probably outnumber the Islam-related deaths manifold. It is done gradually, steadily and smoothly that it doesn't rankle anyone, it is one off stupid things like in the OP that gets all the attention and debate.

Ok Ali, make that 20 + 1
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I can see your sentiment but I think the part you are leaving out and the basic reason for US to be something of a role-model is that you CAN do all of that and STILL not be killed for it... unlike in some other places.
She hasn't been killed yet.
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However if you accumulate all the deaths that the West, in particular the US, causes knowingly in the rest of the world, through dodgy pharma deals, arms deals and a host of other subtle deals, and less subtle wars, it will probably outnumber the Islam-related deaths manifold. It is done gradually, steadily and smoothly that it doesn't rankle anyone, it is one off stupid things like in the OP that gets all the attention and debate.
Do you know who you are identifying as "the West" or the "US"? Given that you are here in "the West", does it include you? Did you commit those crimes?
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I can see your sentiment but I think the part you are leaving out and the basic reason for US to be something of a role-model is that you CAN do all of that and STILL not be killed for it... unlike in some other places.
Errr Peg dearest, these days you can not even go to school without feeling like there might be a lunatic on the lose in the US...and the worst is that you actually did not do anything
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Old 12.11.2010, 13:49
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Re: dying for a drink (death sentence for Pakistani woman)

Though Sharia law isn't mention, the article does remind me of an observation by the fantastic Pat Condell. He suggests, "Sharia law is there to put the fear of God into men and the fear of men into women".
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Errr Peg dearest, these days you can not even go to school without feeling like there might be a lunatic on the lose in the US...and the worst is that you actually did not do anything

But that is not being killed by a court of law.

Although there are states in which capitol punishment is a potential sentencing, they do not include "blasphemy" among the crimes for which this is possible.

Being killed by a nut is one thing, being put through a trial where this is the outcome is something else entirely.

Separation of church and state is what is worthy of emulating, that's all I meant to get at.



Of course, my own first thought, having grown up with plenty of freedom and with the certainty that anyone can rise as high as their own ambition and drive allows is to wonder wtf a Christian family is doing living in an area where not only is the judicial system mandated by religion BUT it is mandated by a religion to which they do not belong.

The laws of Pakistan are laws of Islam, are they not? Otherwise, she wouldn't be facing DEATH for maligning the name of the prophet (whether or not it is true is actually beside the point - or should be).
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Old 12.11.2010, 14:41
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and kill others for some oil needs

I'm not saying that's "right" - I believe it is far far from "right" - and please do not mistake me to think that wars are "sensible" BUT

Between the two, which do you think makes more sense... war (killing people) for resources, or war (killing people) over religion?
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Between the two, which do you think makes more sense... war (killing people) for resources, or war (killing people) over religion?
None!

They are both non-sense for what ever the reason.
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Re: dying for a drink (death sentence for Pakistani woman)

By the way, how did the US get into this thread? Are we to blame for the Pakistani woman's death sentence too?
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Old 12.11.2010, 14:58
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By the way, how did the US get into this thread? Are we to blame for the Pakistani woman's death sentence too?
Sorry, hot spot for me, particularly now, missing family as it passes Marine Corps Birthday and Veteran's Day (which also was the anniversary of my parents wedding) and as we lead up to Thanksgiving... so Tom1234 bringing up the US in a derogatory way stuck in my craw a bit.


Meanwhile, back to the topic...
Hopefully they are able to bring an appeal forth - and win - and survive whatever may come of fanatic Muslim crowd hanging about the court house.

I take it all as a bit of a message... be mindful of how vindictive your neighbors may be AND how much "on their side" the local law may be, for whatever reason.
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Sorry, hot spot for me, particularly now, missing family as it passes Marine Corps Birthday and Veteran's Day (which also was the anniversary of my parents wedding) and as we lead up to Thanksgiving... so Tom1234 bringing up the US in a derogatory way stuck in my craw a bit.
Sorry, I'll ensure that I only mention the U.S. in a nice way in future.

(My post was meant as a funny retort to Economisto's satirical (and mildly offensive) stereo-typical take on Pakistan whereas mine was totally fabricated nonsense).
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Re: dying for a drink (death sentence for Pakistani woman)

there is a fundamental difference...what people in Pakistan especially minorities are facing is the persecution by State. It is part of constitution.


Its not only non muslims but also Muslims who have been killed because somebody falsely accused them of blasphemy. The general atmosphere is run to the local cleric, he will shout on his minaret, gather few hundred people and kill the person in cold blood while the media and police stand by and watch in silence...
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Re: dying for a drink (death sentence for Pakistani woman)

Also, on a personal note, my sister wo was a medical student was banned from entering the cafeteria because she is Ahmadi. She was told that if she dared to enter she would face consequences...later 5 of her Ahmadi juniors were expelled. Later on some more..

http://www.groundreport.com/World/23...ollege/2862598
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Its not only non muslims but also Muslims who have been killed because somebody falsely accused them of blasphemy. The general atmosphere is run to the local cleric, he will shout on his minaret, gather few hundred people and kill the person in cold blood while the media and police stand by and watch in silence...

Without any kind of trial whatsoever?

Does this also happen in the cities?
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OFCOURSE!!

you see those fanatics reported and assume they represent all the nation because your day start with

Drink coffee
start EF
i am feeling lonely
find someone/something to talk about
coffee break
gossip (at EF ofcourse)
lets talk about religion
coffee/smoke/lunch
dont know what to do, lets do some more EF
go home
eat
do some EF
watch tv bored do some EF
sleep (dream of EF)

interestingly EF is just a bunch of 20 people who just talk to each other about fixing the world.
True, but not lonely, not bored and don't watch TV. I'm a multitasker so I'm working (even now). I actually find all this pretty interesting, and yeah, EF is just a bunch of 20 people talking about fixing the world. Nothing wrong with that - conversation on here can get pretty good. I'm sorry if I offended you, I don't believe all Pakistani people are flag burners - I know I'm stereotyping - it is just how it's reported.
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Of course, my own first thought... is to wonder wtf a Christian family is doing living in an area where not only is the judicial system mandated by religion BUT it is mandated by a religion to which they do not belong....
Because it's their home. While Christians are very much a minority, there have been Christian living in the country for many generations. And it wasn't always so hard.

: it would be nice if the tags could be changed for this thread
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Re: dying for a drink (death sentence for Pakistani woman)

just an update on the topic:

the governor of Punjab, the most populated and wealthy province of Pakistan was gunned down because he stood against the mullah pressure to stand by the poor woman accused of blasphemy. Few days back he posted in Twitter
I was under huge pressure to cow down b4 rightist pressure on blasphemy. Refused. Even if Im the last man standing.

I love what a columnist worte: Many Pakistanis are existential cannibals eating away their own soul and conscience and calling it faith.

very very sad..I really liked the late governor. May he rest in peace
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What the western folks love is to ride the high horse and lecture about Islam, or whatever poor sod country, admittedly doing loony stuff and in a blatant way.

However if you accumulate all the deaths that the West, in particular the US, causes knowingly in the rest of the world, through dodgy pharma deals, arms deals and a host of other subtle deals, and less subtle wars, it will probably outnumber the Islam-related deaths manifold. It is done gradually, steadily and smoothly that it doesn't rankle anyone, it is one off stupid things like in the OP that gets all the attention and debate.

Ok Ali, make that 20 + 1
You poor, little, ignorant man !

Why don't you describe the inherent abuses Islam inflicts on people of other faiths when a majority, a clear focus on how destructive Shariah Law becomes by its exclusivity !

After centuries of killing each other, Christians have learned from the experiences of fighting wars for the church over ecclesiastical matters !

How can an Islamic theocracy jibe with American hearts and freedoms ?
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