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Re: Where is your line? [Rape Awareness]

one thing this is all doing - no matter on your opinion - is bringing more and more attention to this matter and less and less peace to the victim.

whether he truly did it as the jury found or he did not do it and it was some next-day regret (from what I've read this seems unlikely), he's served the sentence imposed upon him. Footballers are not role models - on one hand you get a goalkeeper fined £20k for smoking and on the other hand, we have how many footballers awaiting prosecution for things like drunk driving.

using the fact that he might sign for a club as reason to threaten a life is wrong as is hounding the victim.

Paris indeed gives us some perspective on life too, how timely.
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Re: Where is your line? [Rape Awareness]

Evans just released a statement condemning the people harassing the victim, so that's one less stick for you lot to beat him with.
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Re: Where is your line? [Rape Awareness]

Bit late for that.. should have done it a long time ago
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Issued through the PFA and initiated by them no doubt. Evans could have said this ages ago.
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Issued through the PFA and initiated by them no doubt. Evans could have said this ages ago.
I think you will probably have little argument with my thoughts that Evans is not an intelligent man, nor one prone to making thoughtful, measured decisions. He has probably realised this himself.

As this furore has shown, the only way he'll ever get re-employed in football is if his appeal clears his name.

His lawyers (and common sense, for the smarter amongst us) dictates that the best way of doing this is a) not to admit guilt in any public forum, b) to not show contrition as this is a tacit admission of guilt. I honestly just think he is following lawyers' advice at the moment and the statement 'he' made through the PFA has been vetted heavily by his legalists.
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I think you will probably have little argument with my thoughts that Evans is not an intelligent man, nor one prone to making thoughtful, measured decisions. He has probably realised this himself.

As this furore has shown, the only way he'll ever get re-employed in football is if his appeal clears his name.

His lawyers (and common sense, for the smarter amongst us) dictates that the best way of doing this is a) not to admit guilt in any public forum, b) to not show contrition as this is a tacit admission of guilt. I honestly just think he is following lawyers' advice at the moment and the statement 'he' made through the PFA has been vetted heavily by his legalists.
I saw what you did there and yes you're very smart! Of course Evans isn't the smartest man.
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Aha
This is the first public statement Evans has made, since the video made on his release.

I hope to God you are never in the position that you are accused and convicted of a crime you don't believe you committed, or that if you are, people are able to show the common sense and restraint that you would wish for, until your legal options have all been exhausted.
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This is the first public statement Evans has made, since the video made on his release.

I hope to God you are never in the position that you are accused and convicted of a crime you don't believe you committed, or that if you are, people are able to show the common sense and restraint that you would wish for, until your legal options have all been exhausted.
It's clear you don't support rape and I was wondering why the groan came - you're stating facts. Evans is playing the long game, that's for sure - hence little coming from him and only with lawyer advice.

I don't see footballers as role models (some maybe are but Ched Evans? ) and I know footballers have returned to playing after jail sentences and, in the absence of legislation preventing them from being footballers once they have served their time, I cannot object to them trying to be footballers again.

I absolutely 100% disagree with anyone threatening the safety of a person willing to employ such a person. This for me is WORSE than the rape (alleged or otherwise) itself. We are not judge and jury and the right way to object is as the sponsors and figureheads have acted and as those signing petitions have acted.
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Steve Bruce has come out in support of Ched Evans. He speaks a lot of sense, especially questioning the evidence that sent him down.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30742947
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Re: Where is your line? [Rape Awareness]

Evans might think that rape means penetration with a penis, which he did not do, but by his own words, after his mate had raped her he did admit to "messing about" with the drunken victim. Don't forget that with English law, being knowledgeable about a crime, and not reporting it, makes you guilty of that crime as well.

Evans' case was discussed on Channel 5 TV today, with most people suggesting Evans was now unemployable in football matches: the reason being that the matches might attract violent objectors and cause public disturbances if he plays.

The TV programme suggested that as Evans is a good player, maybe Oldham football club thought they could get him cheaply and gain profits with him playing well. They have now thought about the future possibilities and changed their minds about employing him.

He is still serving his 5 year sentence, and could be returned to prison if he misbehaves, personally I don't think he should gain millions while on probation.

I came across this gem from the DM, that UK footballers are paid MUCH higher salaries than all the excellent European players,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...lion-year.html
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Evans might think that rape means penetration with a penis, which he did not do, but by his own words, after his mate had raped her he did admit to "messing about" with the drunken victim. Don't forget that with English law, being knowledgeable about a crime, and not reporting it, makes you guilty of that crime as well.

Evans' case was discussed on Channel 5 TV today, with most people suggesting Evans was now unemployable in football matches: the reason being that the matches might attract violent objectors and cause public disturbances if he plays.

The TV programme suggested that as Evans is a good player, maybe Oldham football club thought they could get him cheaply and gain profits with him playing well. They have now thought about the future possibilities and changed their minds about employing him.

He is still serving his 5 year sentence, and could be returned to prison if he misbehaves, personally I don't think he should gain millions while on probation.

I came across this gem from the DM, that UK footballers are paid MUCH higher salaries than all the excellent European players,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...lion-year.html
Think you need to rethink your reading material chum, you have got a lot of incorrect 'facts'.

His mate did not rape her, he was acquitted.

Evans did penetrate her with his penis, he did not ejaculate however, this might be where you are getting confused.

What if he wins the lottery whilst on probation?

Don't read the Mail, please, God, no.
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Evans might think that rape means penetration with a penis, which he did not do, but by his own words, after his mate had raped her he did admit to "messing about" with the drunken victim. Don't forget that with English law, being knowledgeable about a crime, and not reporting it, makes you guilty of that crime as well.

Evans' case was discussed on Channel 5 TV today, with most people suggesting Evans was now unemployable in football matches: the reason being that the matches might attract violent objectors and cause public disturbances if he plays.

The TV programme suggested that as Evans is a good player, maybe Oldham football club thought they could get him cheaply and gain profits with him playing well. They have now thought about the future possibilities and changed their minds about employing him.

He is still serving his 5 year sentence, and could be returned to prison if he misbehaves, personally I don't think he should gain millions while on probation.

I came across this gem from the DM, that UK footballers are paid MUCH higher salaries than all the excellent European players,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...lion-year.html
Let's be real, he'd be playing in League 1, so certainly wouldn't be earning millions. His mate also didn't rape her as he was acquitted. And all this nonsense about public disturbances is all built up from the Media. As soon as he starts playing again it'll soon be forgotten and everyone will find some other cause to get riled about.
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... the reason being that the matches might attract violent objectors and cause public disturbances if he plays.
Not sure about your familiarity with the UK, but Oldham has been the centre of recent race riots and ever increasing right wing hate mobbery due to its high percentage of non-white Brits living there.

I think the town has more to worry about than a few idiots screaming obscenities at a football match.
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Loose Women are actually supporting the fact that Evans has been punished and the punishment, once over, is deemed served.

That's from 4 birds.

And if you dig into the case, it's all a bit odd. It seems the victim consented to Evans' mate getting jiggy with her (although he was charged with rape - work that out) but any action with Evans was (also) not consensual.

And she had Charlie and spliff in her blood. Regret and rape are not the same - and this is a real risk today.

On the face value, we have little information as to what really happened but the sentence for the person found guilty has been served.

I've not formed an opinion on guilt but I know the victim should be left alone, Evans should be allowed to play (if someone chooses to offer a contract), people should not harass those offering him a job and we should wait to see what comes of the appeal.
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(EDited)... On the face value, we have little information as to what really happened but the sentence for the person found guilty has been served.
Not quite, it will be another 2 years, his punishment ends on 19.4 2017 Until then he can still be returned immediately to jail. His appeals have been rejected, so can we assume he is guilty?

Evans was convicted on 20 April 2012 and was sentenced to five years imprisonment. He was eligible for release after serving half of that sentence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ched_Evans#Rape_conviction

Maybe some of the stuff I quoted in previous post is not true, and dammit I can't remember where I read it! it was NOT the DM! What I read was that he was only "messing about with her", and so was innocent.

But having sexual intercourse with a drunken woman is rape, as she is not in a good position to make a radical decision. The various football experts claiming he is innocent because she was drunk, need to keep quiet.
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Loose Women are actually supporting the fact that Evans has been punished and the punishment, once over, is deemed served.

That's from 4 birds.

And if you dig into the case, it's all a bit odd. It seems the victim consented to Evans' mate getting jiggy with her (although he was charged with rape - work that out) but any action with Evans was (also) not consensual.

And she had Charlie and spliff in her blood. Regret and rape are not the same - and this is a real risk today.

On the face value, we have little information as to what really happened but the sentence for the person found guilty has been served.

I've not formed an opinion on guilt but I know the victim should be left alone, Evans should be allowed to play (if someone chooses to offer a contract), people should not harass those offering him a job and we should wait to see what comes of the appeal.
I don't think any sponsor will be happy with having their name on a convicted rapist's shirt.

I think he should retrain for a different career.
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But having sexual intercourse with a drunken woman is rape, as she is not in a good position to make a radical decision. The various football experts claiming he is innocent because she was drunk, need to keep quiet.
Sorry, but this is also not true. Having sex with a drunken women does definitely not constitute rape.
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Not quite, it will be another 2 years, his punishment ends on 19.4 2017 Until then he can still be returned immediately to jail. His appeals have been rejected, so can we assume he is guilty?

Evans was convicted on 20 April 2012 and was sentenced to five years imprisonment. He was eligible for release after serving half of that sentence
Are you telling me he is not safe to be out of prison? My opinion is that the system has seen fit to allow him to leave prison on licence and the restrictions upon him do not include not playing football.

It may be picking at sticks but I believe if he can walk down the street and thus presents no threat to society by being released, he can work.

There would be no discussion if a convicted rapist who was a painter was returning to work at this time.

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Sorry, but this is also not true. Having sex with a drunken women does definitely not constitute rape.
Normally no. I've seen it happen many times after being at bars like Nelson, Lady G, Talaker bar, etc
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