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Househusband in suburbian Basel

A bit late, but I guess I ought to do an intro.

Our family (kids now 11 months and 8 years, my wife and I) moved to Allschwil, BL, just before Easter. We moved due to her job, and I agreed to be stay-at home dad, at least until our older son got settled in school. I _do_ sometimes miss adult company (not necessarily _that_ sort).

How long are we here for? Don't know, but not for good as we both miss the sea, and none of us go skiing anyway.

I am a chemical engineer and quit a job in IT. In former times I have lived and worked in

Germany, 4 months, 1989
Hungary, 6 weeks, 1991
UK, 5 years, 1992-1997

Oh yes, and I am married twice to the same woman, both in Liverpool and in Lisbon. We considered applying for EU integration subsidy.

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Hi, Martin. Welcome to EF. How is life different here from Germany and Denmark?
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Old 16.08.2007, 21:22
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Hi, Martin. Welcome to EF. How is life different here from Germany and Denmark?
Thank you.

As to your question, this is a big one! I think I will leave out Germany, as it is so long ago and my perspectives then (age 22) were somewhat different from now :-)

Some things are remarkably similar:

- it is a low-corruption, high-trust society. It is normal to let the plummer into your house in the morning, go to work and find the job done and the door locked when you come home.

- the importance of voluntary clubs and associations (the average Dane is member of 8 or so, all run on democratic lines)

- shopping hours, though in Denmark it is easier to find shops open on Sunday. Danis supermarkets are significantly bigger, though.

- you also meet the attitude, that there are two ways of doing things, ours and the wrong one.

There are also big differences:

- family structure (I). In Denmark the ideal is 2 children or perhaps 3, a couple of years after the first you will be asked when (not if) you hope to have the next one. And no. 3 is a bit of a status symbol. In my sons class (in an upper-middle-class neighbourhood) there were 2 single children out of 20. And then we had number 2.

- family structure (II). Most women work, and virtually all children go to daycare from age 1. This is unavoidable for most people due to

- tax. I, as a plain IT employee (and not a well-paid one), paid about 50% tax. This does include social and health insurance, though. But add to that 25% VAT and 180% tax on cars, and you can figure.

There are of of course more, but I have to put children to bed now :-)

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Thank you.

As to your question, this is a big one! I think I will leave out Germany, as it is so long ago and my perspectives then (age 22) were somewhat different from now :-)

Some things are remarkably similar:

- it is a low-corruption, high-trust society. It is normal to let the plummer into your house in the morning, go to work and find the job done and the door locked when you come home.

- the importance of voluntary clubs and associations (the average Dane is member of 8 or so, all run on democratic lines)

- shopping hours, though in Denmark it is easier to find shops open on Sunday. Danis supermarkets are significantly bigger, though.

- you also meet the attitude, that there are two ways of doing things, ours and the wrong one.

There are also big differences:

- family structure (I). In Denmark the ideal is 2 children or perhaps 3, a couple of years after the first you will be asked when (not if) you hope to have the next one. And no. 3 is a bit of a status symbol. In my sons class (in an upper-middle-class neighbourhood) there were 2 single children out of 20. And then we had number 2.

- family structure (II). Most women work, and virtually all children go to daycare from age 1. This is unavoidable for most people due to

- tax. I, as a plain IT employee (and not a well-paid one), paid about 50% tax. This does include social and health insurance, though. But add to that 25% VAT and 180% tax on cars, and you can figure.

There are of of course more, but I have to put children to bed now :-)

/Martin

Martin, thanks for your eye-opening and interesting response.

re: family structure I -- Did you mean youngish families in Switzerland are much bigger than those in Denmark?
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Martin, thanks for your eye-opening and interesting response.

re: family structure I -- Did you mean youngish families in Switzerland are much bigger than those in Denmark?
No, the opposite. It seems to be more normal here only having one child, I think the average is about 1/2 a child more per woman in Denmark.

In Denmark women generally have more children _and_ more work outside the home. Fewer Women who Lunch.

Sorry for nopt being clear.

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No, the opposite. It seems to be more normal here only having one child, I think the average is about 1/2 a child more per woman in Denmark.

In Denmark women generally have more children _and_ more work outside the home. Fewer Women who Lunch.

Sorry for nopt being clear.

Martin
No worries, dude. But from what I've observed, there are quite a lot of young families here with 3 or 4 children -- mmm, methinks we're running into different sets of people. (I get those at the beach when I want a bit of peace and quiet, heh.)
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No worries, dude. But from what I've observed, there are quite a lot of young families here with 3 or 4 children -- mmm, methinks we're running into different sets of people. (I get those at the beach when I want a bit of peace and quiet, heh.)
Zug is catholic, isn't it? Perhaps the children are not as evenly distributed between families, the standards could be set on cantonal levels

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Hej Sorensen, welcome to the forum (and thanks for the reputation comment). I hope you'll like your stay in Switzerland!

What part of Denmark are you from? I've been in Denmark only for one and a half weeks but tried to put as much Denmark in these as possible. I've been to Købnhavn, Løkken, Ålborg, Frederikshavn and Odense and liked it very much. Hopefully all the towns are spelt right.
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Welcome to Basel. Hope you find your stay here pleasant. I have not worked for 6 months and 1 more to go. I know how it feels to be at home all the day. Well at least you have children to keep you busy. We have none but by choice of course so I find the forum helps me get through the day a bit easier. I actually look forward to seeing what's going on everyday. Good Luck!
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Re: Househusband in suburbian Basel

Hi and welcome.

I have also decided to become a house-husband and am looking forward to the joys and pains of being at home with the little one.
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Hej Sorensen, welcome to the forum (and thanks for the reputation comment). I hope you'll like your stay in Switzerland!

What part of Denmark are you from? I've been in Denmark only for one and a half weeks but tried to put as much Denmark in these as possible. I've been to Købnhavn, Løkken, Ålborg, Frederikshavn and Odense and liked it very much. Hopefully all the towns are spelt right.
Spelling to an A, and I am impressed how much you did.

I grew up here <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Thur%C3%B8,+Denmark&sll=53.1043,-2.02575&sspn=88.4422,360&ie=UTF8&v=2.1&cv=4.0.2736 &hl=en&oi=georefine&ct=clnk&cd=2&output=kml&ge_fil eext=.kml">Thur??</a>.kmz

My parents' house is on the south coast.

I left for Lyngby near Copenhagen to study, and when I retuned from the UK my wife and I also lived in the well-off suburbs to the north - at one time we were some of the poorer people in the richest municipality in Denmark, we only had two normal incomes and no fortune. Different from Liverpool, where as Engineer and Ph.D. student we were relatively well off.

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Hi Martin,

I don't know why I didn't see your message when you first posted it!

If you are still here in Basel, you might be interested in the following link. It is about a bunch of guys whose partners work while they look after the fort.

http://hausmen.com/

You would be made very welcome at the regular Wednesday Lunch.

Best wishes.
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Possibly because you weren't in Switzerland then?
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