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Possibly relocating to Basel with Horses

Hi All,

I am considering a work proposal to relocate to Basel, later this year. I have two horses and two cats which I hope to take with me if I do go.

Any advice on relocating animals would be most welcome! Otherwise, hello to you all!

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Re: Possibly relocating to Basel with Horses

Hi Di!

That sounds very exciting! I have only just moved to Basel, but can vouch that it is lovely - and it looks like there would be loads of lush surrounding countryside to take your horses too. I can't comment on relocating process for them though!

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Hi Di!

That sounds very exciting! I have only just moved to Basel, but can vouch that it is lovely - and it looks like there would be loads of lush surrounding countryside to take your horses too. I can't comment on relocating process for them though!

Lyanne

Thanks Lyanne. It's the cost of keeping them there that's making me , as much as the relocation!! If anyone reads this and can recommend transport companies/ DIY livery (or even fields to rent), I'd be eternally grateful!
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Hello and welcome to the forum and soon Basel.
Good luck with the moving, where are you coming from and what breed are your horses? Keep us posted how it's going. I love horses, and liked one of my own, but frankly I don't know much about keeping horses in Basel.
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Re: Possibly relocating to Basel with Horses

I think using a van would be more practical

Seriously, good luck with the move and welcome to CH.
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Hi there

Good luck with relocating your horses! It is beautiful in Switzerland for horses but be prepared for very high livery costs. I cannot help with the Basel Area but I am based between Zurich & Luzern. "Pferde Pension" Horse livery at a nice place with facilites (indoor / outdoor arenas, grazing etc) will cost between 900 - 1200chf. This will be on a full livery basis which will include basic feed, hay, turn out / in, muck out 7 days a week. From my experience it doesnt include grooming but does include feet being picked out. The other option is to stable at a farm where you get no facilites but they are on full livery, expect this to cost 500 - 650chf. The standard here is very high and they know who to look after horse. A set of shoes costs 200chf which includes stud holes and road pins as standard all year round. It seems that you are lucky if you can find a place that offers all year round grazing but often stables have an outside pen area attached so they get a bit of freedom.

DIY does not seem to be the normal here.

With regards to transport company where will be be coming from?

I hope this helps and if I can help with any other issues please shout.
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Hi All,

Sorry it's taken so long to reply. The stress of the consultation period is taking its toll, I think!

Bad news that DIY doesn't seem to be the norm, as I'm used to doing everything. They're both exmoor ponies, so to keep them in a grand 'Pensionstalle' is a bit over the top. Currently they're out 24/7 with access to a stable.

Am so glad Henry isn't shod - 200CHF - eek!

They're coming from Surrey. Have been quoted quite a reasonable price (700 per pony, not including the import I would pay on the border).

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Good luck with relocating your horses! It is beautiful in Switzerland for horses but be prepared for very high livery costs. I cannot help with the Basel Area but I am based between Zurich & Luzern. "Pferde Pension" Horse livery at a nice place with facilites (indoor / outdoor arenas, grazing etc) will cost between 900 - 1200chf. This will be on a full livery basis which will include basic feed, hay, turn out / in, muck out 7 days a week. From my experience it doesnt include grooming but does include feet being picked out. The other option is to stable at a farm where you get no facilites but they are on full livery, expect this to cost 500 - 650chf. The standard here is very high and they know who to look after horse. A set of shoes costs 200chf which includes stud holes and road pins as standard all year round. It seems that you are lucky if you can find a place that offers all year round grazing but often stables have an outside pen area attached so they get a bit of freedom.

DIY does not seem to be the normal here.

With regards to transport company where will be be coming from?

I hope this helps and if I can help with any other issues please shout.
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They're coming from Surrey. Have been quoted quite a reasonable price (700 per pony, not including the import I would pay on the border).
Is that Gbp or chf and is it per pony or both? I was quoted a lot more than that. Lorry or trailer? How much is the import tax I heard it is a set price up to 14.2hh and another price over 14.2hh. Can you avoid the import tax as you are moving here and bring then as part of your shipment? Obviously not on the same truck!

When are you coming here?

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When are you coming here?
We're in the consultation period (after which I choose to move with job or take redundancy). As it's a lab based role, it's not as easy as just upping sticks, we have to close down the labs here and so the timeline is all a bit up in the air. It'll be September/October I should think. The period ends at the beginning of July, then we're given two weeks to decide on our formal offer. That's why it's all a bit vague.

The price was per pony in GBP, on a shared load. Don't know import tax values yet (I did read that there was a minimum value placed on each animal, which sucks, as I paid £300 for one and £200 for the other!). I'm told that it doesn't work to have them as 'part of a shipment'. They charge for taking a cat in, so I'm pretty sure I wouldn't get a horse in without them taxing! Grrr!
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Why bring your own horses? You can buy horse meat in the supermarkets, not sure about cats though.
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Re: Possibly relocating to Basel with Horses

Do not import your ponys to Switzerland, but leave them for much cheaper prices across the border in Germany.
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Re: Possibly relocating to Basel with Horses

My advice would be leave them behind for the first few months. Get yourself settled first, it takes 6 to 9 months to find your feet. What if you don't like it?
The stress of new job/apt/surroundings is high enough without having to think about horses that may end up stabled a few miles away.
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Re: Possibly relocating to Basel with Horses

Hi Di, I hope you find a solution to your horse problem. I was driving around across the border in France looking at houses and at the same time, looking for riding stables for my 11 yr old. (her requirement that we live near a stable!). It seems there's more space in France than CH.

Well, if you ever bring them over and need a free stable hand, give my daughter a shout!
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Re: Possibly relocating to Basel with Horses

Have you thought of looking for a job here anyway? You could take redundancy and still move. Hope you get a good relocation package for a move vs redundancy. You will need a salary increase living in Switzerland, even with lower taxes!
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Hi All,

Sorry it's taken so long to reply. The stress of the consultation period is taking its toll, I think!

Bad news that DIY doesn't seem to be the norm, as I'm used to doing everything. They're both exmoor ponies, so to keep them in a grand 'Pensionstalle' is a bit over the top. Currently they're out 24/7 with access to a stable.

Am so glad Henry isn't shod - 200CHF - eek!

They're coming from Surrey. Have been quoted quite a reasonable price (700 per pony, not including the import I would pay on the border).
I know a few people who work in Basle & have horses but they all live in France. Much easier to find a place with land in France & you do not have to pay any import duties in France.
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My advice would be leave them behind for the first few months. Get yourself settled first, it takes 6 to 9 months to find your feet. What if you don't like it?
The stress of new job/apt/surroundings is high enough without having to think about horses that may end up stabled a few miles away.
I think this is a good piece of advice. A colleague of mine moved here couple of years ago, had to leave the horses to start with as she and her family were in temporary relocation apartment. In the end they decided to live in France, but it took them a while to find a place and she moved the horses over I think about 9 months after the initial move. From what I can gather, you have a lot more freedom about where you can ride in France than in Switzerland (I heard this second hand and my memory's not brilliant, so EFers feel free to correct if wrong), where you have to stick to designated bridle paths, can't ride on farmland etc. When she was looking for a house, many in the favoured village seemed to have barns in the garden, with small standing area for the horses outside (fields not too far away). Seemed close to ideal and she was moving forward with the purchase, until by chance she found out that the village had put a moratorium on any more horses within a certain radius of the village centre (neither the estate agent nor notary or whatever had picked this up). She was eventually lucky to find a nice place, with a great arrangement with a neighbour from whom she rents his two spare boxes and grazing, and she rides directly out into countryside and woodland.

I may be wrong, but I get the feeling it would be very hard to do the kind of research you'll need to do from a distance - any chance you can get a few days over here and some help from the company before you have to make the decision? There's a lot more to it than the shipping/import costs, all sorts of quirks and legalities, in both countries (I don't know about Germany).

PS Sympathise, redundancy consultation period sucks!

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Re: Possibly relocating to Basel with Horses

Hi Di,

I'm in a similar situation and have been reading the posts with great interest as I'm moving to Zurich in August and trying to find out about moving my horse out with us from Hertfordshire, UK. It's a bit scary how much the livery is in Switzerland and the shoeing costs are eye watering!

MrsHunkydorey - I see from your post that you may know the Zurich area and I wondered if you knew of any livery yard specifically you might suggest me looking at? I'm looking for something in the region of more like 8oochf/month, is that totally unrealistic?!?!

Any advice from anyone is greatly, greatly appreciated!!

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MrsHunkydorey - I see from your post that you may know the Zurich area and I wondered if you knew of any livery yard specifically you might suggest me looking at? I'm looking for something in the region of more like 8oochf/month, is that totally unrealistic? Emily
Emily, sorry I have only just seen this post. I have posted a reply to your other post but they are both in the Zug area. If you have any other question please shout.
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Hi Di,

I moved my horses some years ago to Switzerland - from Germany though (I live in central Switzerland, so leaving them in Germany and passing the border to see them was out of question). Mine are ponies too, I got them since 16 years and had definitely no bill...so I was wondering what to do and there we go:
1. I hired a forwarding agent to fill out all the paper work - those who are specialised on horse transport
2. I asked a friend to transport the horses, which was much cheaper than using an official company - however, as mentioned before, the paperwork should be done by people who know what they do
3. I issued an invoice for my horses and had to pay a percentage on the price -that was reasonable. VAT came on top of it too. If you're interested in the total amount I had to look things up - can't remember the figures anymore.
4. I moved the horses only when I had settled down and had an idea where to put them. In the first stable I paid an horrendous amount per horse - now I'm at a reasonable 350 Francs for both together, including food. However, it is a paddock stable and slightly in the middle of now where ;-).

Generally it is rather expensive keeping horses in Switzerland - but if you're lucky you can either find a place in Germany just over the border and save yourself all the importing horses stuff or you can find a good place in Switzerland.....might take some looking around....

Hope that helps a bit - good luck with everything!
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Re: Possibly relocating to Basel with Horses

I cycled out to Leymen in France from Basel on Sunday, just past the Zoll (customs/border point) on Leymenstrasse were two stables. I thought it was all one, on both sides of the road, but according to my friend the posh one on one side with dressage menage etc. was the Swiss one, the ramshackle old farmhouse with trees sticking out of the roof on the other side of the road is the French one... French one had a sign out saying they had spaces - they seemed to have a lot of horses (all looked well cared for), a lot of grazing, the stable block was in better nick than the farmhouse ;-), more roaming space per horse than the Swiss side and would undoubtedly be cheaper! Afraid I didn't take the number down, but it would be worth you taking a look.
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