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Moving to Switzerland with Aspergers child

Hi,
I am moving to Switzerland with my family. My eldest son may have mild aspergers (it is still unclear). He struggles with reading at school here in England (although you could early it is too early to worry about that), but my main concern is that if he does have Aspergers which school should he go too, given that it would be very mild. Any advice anyone could give me about how the state system would cope/support him would be great. I understand there are many specialist schools around - but not sure how far along the spectrum he would have to have Aspergers to attend one of those, and if diagnosis required. I don't want to single him out unless we have to. How good is the system at picking up things? I am worried that as he doesn't speak French, his problems may be "masked" as people will put things down to the fact he doesn't speak French fluently (or at all yet).

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Re: Moving to Switzerland with Aspergers child

Welcome to the forum

If you say whereabouts you are going to be living I am sure that someone will be allow shortly and be able to help you
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Re: Moving to Switzerland with Aspergers child

Have him diagnosed if you can, come with the diagnoses (translated) and with a textbook on what Aspergers is, in French. I think the system can be helpful if you do not rush them here with this, give them time to get ready and find appropriate resources. If you don't, they might be uncooperative. Once things are clear, though, address the cantonal dept of edu and ask what the policy is (I would also contact your son's teacher, before arrival). So, the sooner you know yourself, the better you can ask for help. I don't think he would be singled out if he is diagnosed, I think he might be singled out by being "slow" and not so social, to other kids. A teacher who knows about this, might help him not to be singled out. Not the other way around. Usually, kids are happily immersed here, whatever their little thing is. (or, in other words, the filter is not so fine).
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Re: Moving to Switzerland with Aspergers child

I'm not sure, but I think there's some thread about this kind of thing on the forum, it could be interesting to do a search.

edit : just adding this link http://www.autisme-ge.ch/ which is a Genevan association about aspergers with links on other Swiss French cantons association.

It's of course in French, but it could be interesting to have a look, or even to contact them.

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Re: Moving to Switzerland with Aspergers child

You can diagnosis him. Treat him with utmost care. You can also send him to good center that provide good training on asperger program.
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Re: Moving to Switzerland with Aspergers child

Hi,
We brought our little boy over from England in 2008.He had already been diagonosed but we had not had much help in England. Since arriving here we have had so much support,he is now 7 and is in a brilliant speech school in Stafa,the difference in him is staggering,his German is wonderful and he has grown so much confidence its hard to believe its the same little boy really.

I agree it would be easier to get him diagonosed in the UK as it will only speed things up here but you could not be moving to a better place for support really.All my kids were blessed with a wonderful school here in Oetwil. That is the key really. They had six weeks intensive German classes BEFORE being introduced into the main stream school. The support from the teachers here have been second to none.They work fast to get problems remedied and that gives the children confidence. Do you know what area you are moving to?

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Here is the best thread for existing forum resources for this. Good luck

Autism Spectrum Disorders in Adults and Children -resources, groups etc.
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Re: Moving to Switzerland with Aspergers child

You should also look at All Special Kids in Geneva - they have great guides to local resources and also their own activities:

http://allspecialkids.org/ask.php
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Re: Moving to Switzerland with Aspergers child

Darcy, thanks so much for your reply, it is really helpful. I really appreciate it and I am definitely going to get him diagnosed based on what you have send. Thanks again..


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Re: Moving to Switzerland with Aspergers child

Dear Jen,

I have only today joined the forum (oops! yesterday! better get to bed!) and perhaps things have already moved on a bit for you in the last couple of weeks. But I thought you might be interested in our experience, entering school here without a diagnosis.

My son is 9 and has mild Asperger syndrome. He has some other issues too, including (mainly?) ADHD. Nothing has ever been clear-cut, and we had big problems getting any help at all in the UK.

Last autumn, after UK Year 4, we moved to the German-speaking part of Switzerland. The education system does vary somewhat between cantons. So I can tell you about our experience here in Canton Schwyz and hope that this will be useful.

Here, they try to keep children with special educational needs in the mainstream school as far as possible. They have integrated support within the local community school, and they have a class size limit of 20. Some features of the schools here are well suited to a child with AS. For example, the children have their own desks which face the front of the class, where the teacher uses a blackboard. They get homework every day and there is an expectation that this is completed by the next day. They are expected to work quietly at their desks, rather than milling around and chatting.

I enrolled our son in the local community school, telling them that he had some social developmental issues which were unclear, but not that we thought he 'might' have AS or ADHD or a bit of both, as I thought it best to see which issues would emerge in the new environment, and how serious they would turn out to be.

Initially my son's time was split about 50/50 between intensive German as 2nd Language (DaZ) lessons and his main class of 20. Incidentally, the DaZ was very good for him as not only did it teach him lots of German very quickly but he was in a very small group, so not full-time in the big classroom struggling to understand his environment. Hopefully something like this will be available to your son too.

Some issues unsurprisingly began to appear. After allowing a few weeks for settling in, the school psychologist did an observation and recommended a referral to the local psychology/psychiatry service. Here, this is called the KJPD (Kinder-und Jugendpsychiatrischer Dienst). Two useful things: 1, we, the family, could have approached the KJPD directly, even without a doctor's referral or any input from the educational psychologist, and 2, the compulsory health insurance pays 90%. They are a health service and not an educational service, and they are there for the child and not for the school. The psychologist emphasized from the outset that their aim is not to make the children into tractable school pupils, but rather to try to ensure an overall healthy development of the individual. This is worth knowing about and you should see if there is an equivalent in your canton.

The psychologist carried out a full cognitive assessment and looked at what the problems might be. He has had a meeting with the school to explain his findings and has provided information to help the class teacher understand what kinds of approach might work and what might cause difficulties. Our son also got a referral for occupational therapy, which was never mentioned in the UK in the state sector, and which will also be paid for (90%) by his health insurance - important this!

Obviously we are still in the early days here, and we'll have to see how this translates into longterm school success and happiness. But it's a good start.

I gather that you have decided to get the diagnosis side sorted out in the UK before you come here. Good luck with that, and I hope it is straightforward for you. We could perhaps have saved ourselves 6 months if we had come with a diagnosis and got in touch with the KJPD saying, 'here is our son, he has AS etc, our English psychologist recommended XYZ, and here is the paperwork'. It will be useful if you can actually get written recommendations for support, as well as a diagnosis. This is by no means guaranteed to be combined in one exercise. I imagine it depends on how much you are able or willing to pay, or you might have to go to different people - a clinical psychologist for the diagnosis and an educational psychologist (but make it a good one!) for recommendations. (These comments are based on our family's experience rather than any research on how this is supposed to work in the UK.)

Perhaps it would have been an advantage to get the Occupational Therapy referral 6 months earlier, but taking a long view I don't think the delay matters too much, in our case. I have felt that there were so many changes to adjust to, and the new language to learn too, and it was worth taking some things a little slowly and having plenty of down-time. Instead, the psychologist here has got to know us and our son quite well, and we feel that he is a useful advocate when it comes to dealing with schools. Obviously psychologists are professionals and can read one another's reports, but I am glad that we have some continuity in this respect.

I'm not trying to dissuade you from getting your diagnosis in the UK though. And here's another thought. If you want to speed things up then it will help if any people seeing your son are able to communicate with him in English, if, as for many people with AS, effective communication is already a challenge in his mother tongue. It may also help if assessments are conducted before a major change in environment, especially if he suffers from anxiety or likes familiar surroundings and routines. It may help to make the process less stressful for him. So that is another argument for getting the diagnosis before you move here.

Anyway - that's enough from me. Good luck. It is a stressful enough time organizing a move to another country, without these issues to think about as well.

Imogen
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