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Old 23.06.2011, 02:39
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Wow, the general opinion on Switzerland in this thread seems to be utterly dismal, so let me give you my 2 cents
i've been to Asia, South America, all over the US, extensively throughout Europe (but never further east than Slovakia) and never to Africa. Ok, so a small amount considering the size of the Earth, but more than most i'd say.
Not one single place or country has in any way compared to the glorious country which Switzerland is. Things just work here. Don't worry about the folk being conservative or the fact that the main thing on their minds is cash (more so than anywhere else), just look at how everything works here: it's clean, fast, efficient, friendly and very safe. There's not the propensity for violence that seems prevalent everywhere else.
Sure, the food is better in Italy, hell yeah the humor is the best in the UK and Australia, shit yeah the Swedish women look better, of course the chilled-out warmth and love of many South American places obliterates Switzerland, but all-in-all this country is just sensational. Amazing lifestyle, wonderful countryside, good money, excellent services and if you bother your lazy ass to learn the lingo, then you'll find the Swiss to have an excellent humor level, more so than many other places i've been to. You disagree with me? Well make sure you speak the local lingo before you talk nonsense, as i'll surely thrash you in a debate about this
If you want to save cash here, then go to Germany, France or Italy for your shopping and dentist etc, no problem.
I won't bother mentioning all the multiple negative points all the aforementioned places have, but they're without a doubt more numerous than those found in Switzerland.
I've learned Swiss-German and High German to a high level of fluency, simply due to the fact that i wasn't lazy and didn't spend most of my time with the ex-pat community. I established swiss friends and they are extremely good, warm, caring people and i wont hear a word against it. If your experience has been otherwise, well perhaps it's a language thing, perhaps you've been unlucky, most likely you're the problem. Try going to your US midwest or south of france or liverpool and not speaking english, you'll get a crack on the jaw if you start your shit there. Most of the swiss are far more polite.
I've had various jobs here, from working on building sites, to clearing kitchens, cooking, IT, lots of stuff. Sometimes i've been strapped for cash, but now i have a house and i'm doing fine in my job. Worked hard to get it too. I feel sorry for all the poor women who seem trapped here in Switzerland due to your husbands, but tell me, would your lives have been so much better elsewhere? Unlikely, but who knows for sure.
The common metaphor in all walks of life is "it's what you make of it" and i'll tell you something, if you want a comfortable life, with excellent services around you, common decency, polite and sensible folk, an overall sane place where things inexplicably just work, then FFS, Switzerland is No.1 worldwide in my opinion. Disagree with this? Debate me over a beer if you dare
I just love this post. Although I've not had the length of time here or the range of jobs as you, I totally agree with your general attitude and conclusions.

Switzerland is a stunningly beautiful country with (in my experience) delightful people and a slick system. Yes, it's bureaucratic and occasionally frustrating but the end result is a country where things work efficiently.

Just a small example is the snow. Last winter was my first here. I woke up one morning near Zurich and there must have been 12 inches of snow out there. Coming from the UK, I feared being cut off from the outside world and not being able to get to work, which was out in the distant suburbs, and up a big hill.

I needn't have worried. All the public transport was running on time, and the roads were cleared of the snow by local farmers before I'd got out there. Just brilliant. In England, a night of heavy snow closes the nation down for 10 days -- as happened last December.

I feel very disappointed by the attitude of some Americans on this thread. I'm a Brit but admire the Yanks. You tend to be positive "can do" types. Just think of your history and the culture of being pioneers and adventurers. I'm beginning to feel let down by you guys.

Don;t be so damn defeatist. We are in mainland Europe now. THings ARE different. Don;t come here expecting to have all your home comforts plus the joys of living here. Equally, whenever I travel to the US (as I have done 15 times in my life), I miss a ton of things about the UK, but hey -- I'm not in the UK. It's somehow disrespectful and arrogant to move to another country then complain to the local people that they should be living like some foreign nation does. NO!

When in Rome.... and all that.

Buck up people, and start to enjoy the pleasures here, like the landscape, the outdoor life, the ease of access to half a dozen other countries at the weekend, the lovely people, the salary, the cheese, the (in my case at least) job security, and so many other things.

As my American pals would say -- Get with the program!!



To MacButterbee and her husband -- drop me a message when you get here and I'll happily help you to get orientated.
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Try going to your US midwest or south of france or liverpool and not speaking english, you'll get a crack on the jaw if you start your shit there. Most of the swiss are far more polite.
I think that's a popular mis-conception. If America gets nothing else right, being from somewhere else is not viewed with horror and animosity rather curiosity. Granted, there are jerks everywhere, but everywhere I've lived in the US and, especially the Midwest where I grew up, people will welcome you.

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I feel sorry for all the poor women who seem trapped here in Switzerland due to your husbands, but tell me, would your lives have been so much better elsewhere? Unlikely, but who knows for sure.
I'm not trapped, I just don't want to stay and I don't want a divorce. And, yes, my life was better before moving here.

It's a common misconception that if you just keep trying harder, you'll love a place more. I've seen such advice dispensed countless times. But most of the time, finding a new country to your liking is less under your direct control than you'd think. It's like taking a new job where it's a bit of a gamble that you'll like the people you work with. It might be a dream job, but if you loathe the people you have to work with, eventually you're going to move on.

If I were a young newlywed from the US, sure, I'd go for the adventure but I'd keep my options open for retreat if it doesn't work out.
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I needn't have worried. All the public transport was running on time, and the roads were cleared of the snow by local farmers before I'd got out there. Just brilliant. In England, a night of heavy snow closes the nation down for 10 days -- as happened last December.
In spite of giving my UK colleagues no end of shit last winter about this as Boston got some 120 or so inches of snow over the winter; to be fair, the UK doesn't normally get measurable snow and Switzerland does.

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I feel very disappointed by the attitude of some Americans on this thread. I'm a Brit but admire the Yanks. You tend to be positive "can do" types. Just think of your history and the culture of being pioneers and adventurers. I'm beginning to feel let down by you guys.
We're "can do" but sometimes it's better to know when to cut your losses and go. If I were going to be a pioneer, I'd move to Manitoba since the way the climate is shifting, it should be pretty habitable soon.

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Don;t be so damn defeatist. We are in mainland Europe now. THings ARE different. Don;t come here expecting to have all your home comforts plus the joys of living here. Equally, whenever I travel to the US (as I have done 15 times in my life), I miss a ton of things about the UK, but hey -- I'm not in the UK. It's somehow disrespectful and arrogant to move to another country then complain to the local people that they should be living like some foreign nation does. NO!
I don't think any Yanks here have lately complained about the lack of brown sugar or missing the comforts of home. I'd lament the lack of a proper ocean but, it being a land locked country and all that...

It's a lovely, bucolic and scenic country where the trains run on time but....I'd still go home in a New York minute. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.
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Im sure the Swiss tourist board would love to have you as an advertising executive
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Most countries have lovely, or even stunning, landscape. Every nation of people have their idiosyncracies.
But I would hate to chose to "love" in a place because things"work".
Things only work if everyone bows down and works too!
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Wow, the general opinion on Switzerland in this thread seems to be utterly dismal, so let me give you my 2 cents
i've been to Asia, South America, all over the US, extensively throughout Europe (but never further east than Slovakia) and never to Africa. Ok, so a small amount considering the size of the Earth, but more than most i'd say.
Not one single place or country has in any way compared to the glorious country which Switzerland is. Things just work here. Don't worry about the folk being conservative or the fact that the main thing on their minds is cash (more so than anywhere else), just look at how everything works here: it's clean, fast, efficient, friendly and very safe. There's not the propensity for violence that seems prevalent everywhere else.
Sure, the food is better in Italy, hell yeah the humor is the best in the UK and Australia, shit yeah the Swedish women look better, of course the chilled-out warmth and love of many South American places obliterates Switzerland, but all-in-all this country is just sensational. Amazing lifestyle, wonderful countryside, good money, excellent services and if you bother your lazy ass to learn the lingo, then you'll find the Swiss to have an excellent humor level, more so than many other places i've been to. You disagree with me? Well make sure you speak the local lingo before you talk nonsense, as i'll surely thrash you in a debate about this
If you want to save cash here, then go to Germany, France or Italy for your shopping and dentist etc, no problem.
I won't bother mentioning all the multiple negative points all the aforementioned places have, but they're without a doubt more numerous than those found in Switzerland.
I've learned Swiss-German and High German to a high level of fluency, simply due to the fact that i wasn't lazy and didn't spend most of my time with the ex-pat community. I established swiss friends and they are extremely good, warm, caring people and i wont hear a word against it. If your experience has been otherwise, well perhaps it's a language thing, perhaps you've been unlucky, most likely you're the problem. Try going to your US midwest or south of france or liverpool and not speaking english, you'll get a crack on the jaw if you start your shit there. Most of the swiss are far more polite.
I've had various jobs here, from working on building sites, to clearing kitchens, cooking, IT, lots of stuff. Sometimes i've been strapped for cash, but now i have a house and i'm doing fine in my job. Worked hard to get it too. I feel sorry for all the poor women who seem trapped here in Switzerland due to your husbands, but tell me, would your lives have been so much better elsewhere? Unlikely, but who knows for sure.
The common metaphor in all walks of life is "it's what you make of it" and i'll tell you something, if you want a comfortable life, with excellent services around you, common decency, polite and sensible folk, an overall sane place where things inexplicably just work, then FFS, Switzerland is No.1 worldwide in my opinion. Disagree with this? Debate me over a beer if you dare
I used to feel the same way. And then after 18 months I realized I would go nuts if I couldnt travel away from here every month or two! ha ha
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I was bent on coming, since I thought it would give my kids an opportunity to learn a second language, and get to know their father's culture.
Many parents speak to their children in their mother tongue regardless of where they live. By visiting family in one's home country, particularly during a holiday, one can see how these holidays are celebrated as well as other traditions in that culture.

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While I don't hate it here,(but i don't like living here) if i didn't have to spend another day here, I'd be quite ok with it.
I think everyone deserves to be happy and you probably should look for a way to change your circumstances. Life is too short to just settle.
I have many clients who have moved here who are very happy. They have nice homes, and while they may not be as spacious as the ones they had before, they are not dissatisfied with them.
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