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To retort, maybe you shouldn't look backward with rose colored glasses, the same as I shouldn't look forwards.

Also, your thinly veiled discrediting of my claims is really rather naive. Even on the very surface we could talk at length about the recent financial crisis, and that could go on for quite some time and uncover a deep and disturbing degree of corruption of business/government.

Agribusiness/UDSA.

Big Pharma/FDA.

Big Bankers/Federal Reserve.

Those are three very easily researched examples of big business completely controlling their associated governmental regulatory authorities. COMPLETELY controlling. Not just your pithy briber here or there, I mean very clearly the complete and unfettered control of. And I make no exaggeration.
Here's a fun puzzle for you:

Who do you think runs Switzerland?

  1. The People;
  2. The Federal Government;
  3. The banks;
  4. The farmers;
  5. Other.
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If you dislike Big Banks and Big Pharma, then Switzerland is the place for you.
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Old 27.06.2011, 21:47
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To retort, maybe you shouldn't look backward with rose colored glasses, the same as I shouldn't look forwards.

Also, your thinly veiled discrediting of my claims is really rather naive. Even on the very surface we could talk at length about the recent financial crisis, and that could go on for quite some time and uncover a deep and disturbing degree of corruption of business/government.

Agribusiness/UDSA.

Big Pharma/FDA.

Big Bankers/Federal Reserve.

Those are three very easily researched examples of big business completely controlling their associated governmental regulatory authorities. COMPLETELY controlling. Not just your pithy briber here or there, I mean very clearly the complete and unfettered control of. And I make no exaggeration.
You sound just like a cross between a ranter at a Tea Party gathering and a ranter at a Students for a Democratic Society meeting. Lots of sound and fury. Not much for a thinking man. Even the Brits are giving you a hard time.
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Old 27.06.2011, 21:49
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It's really not my job to aggregate the hundreds of articles in the last year alone attesting to my claims, but conveniently here's one I just happened to have bookmarked from awhile back:

http://boingboing.net/2008/08/30/rep...ive-warra.html

And one from a local news source I had bookmarked:

http://www.texascivilrightsproject.o...20Releases.htm

I don't often bookmark things, really just on a whim. However, you can easily verify on your own what I say if you bothered. I don't need to waste my time digging up links from my local newspaper and from reddit/digg/blogs/google/youtube/etc.

You're an adult, you can manage it.


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And there are lots of very good, very unemployed web developers here. You're also a foreigner.



Thank you for placing yourself on such a high pedestal. We couldn't see you before. Now we see you for the narcissistic self-important individual that you are who is one of the few sainted individuals to 'see things as they really are'. Trust me, son, you're not that special.



Do you like anybody?



How often have the police invaded your home without a warrant? I would guess 'never'. How frequent is this occurrance? Perhaps you'd like to back up some of your claims with some relevant statistics? Keep in mind your use of the words 'frequently' and 'routinely'. This means the occurrance of such events had better be pretty high.



Again, please verify with data your opinion that these things happen 'regularly' and 'routinely'. Proof by anecdote is not sufficient. Also, please show that these things do not occur in other countries with roughly the same frequency.



Again, please verify this with some compartive statistics. Surely, an educated, computer-savvy, and 'worldly' man such as yourself can do that with ease.



Again, please feel free to document your claims statistically or be honest and admit that you are an alarmist seeking escape from the boogeyman in the closet.



Yes, you're the only person who sees any problems in the country. How could we have been so blind?



You, sir, are in for a rude awakening. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that you are aware of how things are in other countries.



How could you stand to take advantage of living there for so long, I wonder? Just wait until you realize that just because you don't live there anymore it doesn't mean you don't have to pay any US taxes.



Seriously. You think?



You're not the first foreigner to paint a black picture of his home country and a rosy idyllic picture of some far off land. You won't be the last. There are rules here and cultural attitudes about things that you can't possibly imagine...and won't find out as a tourist. Things that would make the skin of any self-avowed 'libertarian' crawl.

So, rather than discourage you, I encourage you to move post haste. We need more self-important doomsayers who are one of the priveleged class who see things as they really are. Don't forget the brown sugar.
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Old 27.06.2011, 21:54
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You're an adult, you can manage it.
So, basically, you've "done all the research" but don't want to share your statistical godliness with us less perspicacious types, is that it? Since you seem to dwell on the negative, perhaps you could share with us your well-researched insights regarding the negative aspects of living in Switzerland?
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It's really not my job to aggregate the hundreds of articles in the last year alone attesting to my claims,
OK, so leave out the tedious stuff about America. It's a long way away and few of us really care what it's like.

Now tell us about your sources of information about Switzerland. You still haven't told us whether you have visited here or know any Swiss people. Where do you get all your information about the People's Paradise of Switzerland?
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So, basically, you've "done all the research" but don't want to share your statistical godliness with us less perspicacious types, is that it? Since you seem to dwell on the negative, perhaps you could share with us your well-researched insights regarding the negative aspects of living in Switzerland?
I read news all day. I take frequent breaks from development and most of those frequent breaks are reading news.

I likely read close to 100 articles a week from pretty much any news source you could name. Local, National, International. Doesn;t make a difference, I simply read a LOT of news.

I do not bother bookmarking or aggregating the many, many news articles I read anymore, because I read them for my benefit, not the benefit of some random naysayers on a forum.

I'm sure this comment will generate some form of pithy rebuff from people who really just want to rationalize their own acceptance of abusive authority or some other such non-sense (notice most of them are American or English?), but I'm quite satisfied in the frequency and depth of my exposure to solid journalism, daily.

As for CH federal government being thoroughly controlled by big business interests: bollocks.

Unless one of you is bullocks-y enough to claim here that CH's direct democracy is a whole-sale failure.
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As for CH federal government being thoroughly controlled by big business interests: bollocks.
You're sure of that, are you?

All the way from Texas, you can tell people who live here that they know less about this country than you do?

I admire your spirit, young padawan.
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Old 27.06.2011, 22:07
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All the way from Texas, you can tell people who live here that they know less about this country than you do?

I admire your spirit, young padawan.
You heard him - he reads news all day! If that doesn't make him qualified to see through the hype I don't know what does. After all, as any fool knows, big industry may control the government but never the press.


(sorry, I'll behave now. This is an Introduction thread and people should not laugh at people on an Introduction thread. No matter how tempting it is.)
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OK, so leave out the tedious stuff about America. It's a long way away and few of us really care what it's like.

Now tell us about your sources of information about Switzerland. You still haven't told us whether you have visited here or know any Swiss people. Where do you get all your information about the People's Paradise of Switzerland?
http://www.swissinfo.ch/

http://www.eurotopics.net

have been two of my favorite.
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Why would they say it was a wholesale failure?
Works kind of like other democracies.
Money talks very loud in the land of chocs, cheese and em... banks?
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Ah! The government-funded English language news organisation!

Totally unbiased, they are.

EDIT: And at the imprint for the other link you gave us: Bundeszentrale für politische Bildung*

*That's the Federal Agency for Political Education, for our friends in the south and west.
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Ah! The government-funded English language news organisation!

Totally unbiased, they are.

EDIT: And at the imprint for the other link you gave us: Bundeszentrale für politische Bildung
Ah ok, I'll be sure to put on my super fantastic anarcho-libertarian tea-partier conspiracy goggles next time I'm looking for international news.

Cause if it's anyone I need to be wary of journalistic distortion and propaganda, it's the Swiss government....
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Ah ok, I'll be sure to put on my super fantastic anarcho-libertarian tea-partier conspiracy goggles next time I'm looking for international news.

Cause if it's anyone I need to be wary of journalistic distortion and propaganda, it's the Swiss government....
Er... government is government. Why should the Swiss and German governments be any more trustworthy than any other consortium of rich people pandering to their influential friends in the banks and big industries?

Are you having a laugh?
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OK, I'm going to abandon the political debate as it's beside the point anyway. You've made up your mind the US is not for you, not now not ever. Fair enough.

Let's talk about Switzerland, and the process of getting you here. You wouldn't happen to be entitled to an EU passport somehow, would you? Parents European or something?

If not, you're non-EU so straight to the back of the line for any work permits, and you typically won't get a residence permit without a work permit unless you show you can support yourself without working. (and that means no self-employed work either. So you would have to prove that investment income, etc. is enough for you to live on.)

It looks to me like the easiest way in for you is to work for an existing Swiss firm. Unfortunately (it's that non-EU thing again) the firm will have to apply for a work permit for you, and in order to do that they have to make the case that they have searched high and low and can't find a Swiss or EU person to do the job.

So your best bet is find out what skills you have that are in drastic short supply over here (and keep in mind there's a financial crisis on. Lot of good people unemployed or underemployed at the moment) and then tailor your CV/resume to highlight those, and start sending it out. I wish you the best of luck, I honestly do.

Getting a Swiss job will also mean that you're on a Swiss salary, which solves the "how do I live on 50K or 120K or whatever it was?" question neatly. (Well, you'll probably still be on 120K(ish) but it'll be good honest Swiss francs, none of them dodgy paper dollars.)
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they are already moving their expats here....
Very true..... Fortune 500 companies are the reason for there being a housing shortage here mate. Ask anyone in Zug. Can you imagine only making 200,000 a year and paying 10,000 a month for a crappy 3 bedroom house?
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Er... government is government. Why should the Swiss and German governments be any more trustworthy than any other consortium of rich people pandering to their influential friends in the banks and big industries?

Are you having a laugh?
Well, unless you're the Swiss equivalent of an Alex Jones acolyte, are you honestly suggesting there is some giant cover-up of Swiss corruption?

Because in all of my scouring of the net for information on Swiss corruption cases, the most prominent one is about FIFA...

Is there some kind of international conspiracy to maintain CH's image as a clean country with a well functioning democracy that I don't know about?
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Well, unless you're the Swiss equivalent of an Alex Jones acolyte, are you honestly suggesting there is some giant cover-up of Swiss corruption?
The Swiss are a very reserved people.

You can join up the rest of the dots for yourself.

Have you solved that picture puzzle, by the way? It isn't as trivial as it looks.
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Ironically, his best chance of working here would most likely be with one of the big banks. But I don't think he could stomach that, or working for any corporate entity.
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Actually I plenty of working capital to start a Swiss LLC and hire myself.

The rest is all paperwork, really.

And the somewhat involved steps my family is taking to integrate into the Swiss culture I think bodes well for us.

Heck, half of the people I've read about here hardly speak a lick of German/French/Italian, very much less so all three!

We're really quite dedicated to this pursuit and have been exposing ourselves to as much Swiss/German culture as is possible.

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OK, I'm going to abandon the political debate as it's beside the point anyway. You've made up your mind the US is not for you, not now not ever. Fair enough.

Let's talk about Switzerland, and the process of getting you here. You wouldn't happen to be entitled to an EU passport somehow, would you? If not, you're non-EU so straight to the back of the line for any work permits, and you typically won't get a residence permit without a work permit unless you show you can support yourself without working. (and that means no self-employed work either. So you would have to prove that investment income, etc. is enough for you to live on.)

So it looks like the easiest way in for you is to work for an existing Swiss firm. Unfortunately (it's that non-EU thing again) the firm will have to apply for a work permit for you, and in order to do that they have to make the case that they have searched high and low and can't find a Swiss or EU person to do the job.

So your best bet is find out what skills you have that are in drastic short supply over here (and keep in mind there's a financial crisis on. Lot of good people unemployed or underemployed at the moment) and then tailor your CV/resume to highlight those, and start sending it out. I wish you the best of luck, I honestly do.

Getting a Swiss job will also mean that you're on a Swiss salary, which solves the "how do I live on 50K or 120K or whatever it was?" question neatly. (Well, you'll probably still be on 120K(ish) but it'll be good honest Swiss francs, none of them dodgy paper dollars.)
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