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To retort, maybe you shouldn't look backward with rose colored glasses, the same as I shouldn't look forwards.

Also, your thinly veiled discrediting of my claims is really rather naive. Even on the very surface we could talk at length about the recent financial crisis, and that could go on for quite some time and uncover a deep and disturbing degree of corruption of business/government.

Agribusiness/UDSA.

Big Pharma/FDA.

Big Bankers/Federal Reserve.

Those are three very easily researched examples of big business completely controlling their associated governmental regulatory authorities. COMPLETELY controlling. Not just your pithy briber here or there, I mean very clearly the complete and unfettered control of. And I make no exaggeration.
If it wasnt for the Federal Reserve 25% of the entire population would ne unemployed, because the Fed bailed out ALL OF OUR BANKS!!!!!! Personally I blame all these home owners in Texas who defaulted on their loans....
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Psst, the Swiss don't like the Germans.
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Old 27.06.2011, 22:36
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I have lived in Europe for over 23 years. My son is German. My husband is
UK citizen and my dog is Russian. I have lived in CH-land for almost 5 years.
You have no idea what you are getting in to. Sorry, just the facts ! It is not Nirvana here! I personally preferred the nanny state of Germany. Very high
lifestyle..ok you need to pay TAXES !!! to enjoy a very high lifestyle standard.
It is lovely here and if you do outdoor activities , you will love it..err and pay
a lot of $$$ to partake in the stunning scenery here. I really think you have
very little idea of what you are about to expose your family to. I do ! It is not
an easy transition as you may think. Wish you the best of luck !
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Actually I plenty of working capital to start a Swiss LLC and hire myself.
Yeah, the problem is you don't just need capital for that, you need a permit. (and for an LLC, you need one of the partners to be already resident in Switzerland.)

And once you start the company, somebody else can correct me if I'm wrong here but I believe* the company still has to go through the same rigmarole any other potential employer would have to - it has to advertise the position, interview people, conclude there is no other suitable candidate anywhere in the EU and make that case convincingly to the authorities.

Some info here, much of it may be stuff you already know or it may not, but as a place to start (that isn't all in German...)
http://gruenden.ch/Home.1.0.html?&L=1#c1097


*yes, I'm right apparently. See this thread for example:
If we re-domicile our US business in CH, can we get residence permits?
Swissbob knows his onions when it comes to permits, you could do worse than search his old posts for keywords like "freelance" and "self-employed".
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Old 27.06.2011, 22:44
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Well hey everybody, I'm happy to read anything at all you'd like to post that might change my mind about moving to CH.

But your own personal opinions on this forum really don't count on the subject of Governmental integrity and social cohesion.

I need journalistic news sources with something to say about all these CH-centric political and social problems you speak of.

Yes, I know it's expensive, yes I know that as a foreigner I'll be subject to at least some level of discrimination, yes I understand that moving to any foreign nation is likely to be difficult at first.

But so many of you here are basically saying CH is some secretly disturbing place with a seedy underbelly of corruption kept under-wraps by a silent, ineffectual population.

Sorry, but I don't give much credence to those claims without at least ONE journalistic article to back it up, and I'm not finding any.
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"Actually I plenty of working capital to start a Swiss LLC and hire myself."

HOLY , mate are you crazy....? You are an American. You cant set it up. An AG or GMBH requires a Swiss Bank account. You will be required to be the signer of that account.

Also, you need to show income, not company ownership, in order to get a permit to live here. Your $50k is all you can declare. Youre current companies 120k wont even be considered.
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I have lived in Europe for over 23 years. My son is German. My husband is
UK citizen and my dog is Russian. I have lived in CH-land for almost 5 years.
You have no idea what you are getting in to. Sorry, just the facts ! It is not Nirvana here! I personally preferred the nanny state of Germany. Very high
lifestyle..ok you need to pay TAXES !!! to enjoy a very high lifestyle standard.
It is lovely here and if you do outdoor activities , you will love it..err and pay
a lot of $$$ to partake in the stunning scenery here. I really think you have
very little idea of what you are about to expose your family to. I do ! It is not
an easy transition as you may think. Wish you the best of luck !
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Laurie, will you marry me?

I know, I know..... Im too late
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But so many of you here are basically saying CH is some secretly disturbing place with a seedy underbelly of corruption kept under-wraps by a silent, ineffectual population.
Underbelly? There's nothing 'underbelly' about it. And there's nothing 'ineffectual' about the population, either. You just don't get it, do you? Switzerland does not operate according to a North American narrative, no matter how much you would like it to.

But seeing as you trust the Federal Agency for Political Education more than the experiences of people who live here, I guess you'll just have to come over and find out for yourself.

Have you solved the picture puzzle yet, by the way? Do you want another clue?

Here you are:

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But so many of you here are basically saying CH is some secretly disturbing place with a seedy underbelly of corruption kept under-wraps by a silent, ineffectual population.
No, I'm saying that
1) big business is big business. Switzerland really isn't any different from anywhere else in this regard. However,
2) Switzerland is different from Texas in loads of other ways. Some of them you'll love, some of them you'll hate. You seem to have a pretty good handle already on the aspects you think you'll love, so we're trying to balance the picture a little by pointing up things you might not be aware of.


By the way, you said something a while ago about your readiness to weather the "trivial disturbances" of immigrant life. I'm sure you don't mean it that way, you are just trying to emphasize the dreadfulness of what you are running away from - but please realize you are talking about an experience that has reduced me and many a steadier person to rants, moans and occasional tears. Blithely tossing all of it aside as "trivial", especially when you haven't been through it yourself, is... well, pretty arrogant. I'm sure I'm not the only one who found it annoying.
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I'm curious here, are ANY of you native Swiss-born?

I'd like to hear what they have to say about their own country rather than some sour expats...
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I'm curious here, are ANY of you native Swiss-born?
At least two contributors to this thread are Swiss born.

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Sour? If you're referring to me, you couldn't be further from the truth. I love it here.

But then, I'm not some daft idealist who learnt everything there is to know about Switzerland from the internet...
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The name of the forum,perhaps might give you a clue.
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Actually I plenty of working capital to start a Swiss LLC and hire myself.

The rest is all paperwork, really.

And the somewhat involved steps my family is taking to integrate into the Swiss culture I think bodes well for us.

Heck, half of the people I've read about here hardly speak a lick of German/French/Italian, very much less so all three!

We're really quite dedicated to this pursuit and have been exposing ourselves to as much Swiss/German culture as is possible.

My daughter loves Pingu.
It reminds me of "Revolutionary Road"...

OP, I wish you the best of luck, I really hope you'll make it somehow .
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Sour? If you're referring to me, you couldn't be further from the truth. I love it here.

But then, I'm not some daft idealist who learnt everything there is to know about Switzerland from the internet...
Since when have I claimed anything about Switzerland to be Idyllic?

Is CH favorable to foreign business? Yes.

Is CH generally free of corruption? Yes.

Is CH a beautiful, clean country? Yes.

That pretty much covers it for me. My decisions to expatriate weren't born out of some romantic preconceptions about a far off land.

I'm first and foremost a family man. Eventual CH citizenship is a wonderful gift to my daughter and future children/grandchildren.

I'm secondly a businessman. CH is in my view the most favorable European nation to expatriate my business to.

Thirdly, I'm a Citizen, and I have no respect for the USA. There's no arguing this point. Switzerland, Norway, and even Estonia are far above the USA in that regard.

That pretty much sums up my decision making process. I still see nothing so far that would discourage me from bringing my business and expertise to Switzerland and becoming a successful citizen.
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I'm curious here, are ANY of you native Swiss-born?

I'd like to hear what they have to say about their own country rather than some sour expats...
FYI- I am not a "sour" expat !!! I have done something you have not done,
I have lived here as much of a "native" as you have yet to experience for 23 years!
As far as I am concerned you are clueless with a capital "C" !
You really need to read and appreciate the posts of those who live and work
here ! I find you truly insulting to all of us who have tried to give you helpful
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I still see nothing so far that would discourage me from bringing my business and expertise to Switzerland and becoming a successful citizen.
Except (and I'm sorry to keep bringing it up, but it is important and you do seem not to be paying it due attention) the small matter of applications and permits.

I still think you should come for a visit sometime. Let me know when you're over, I meant what I said about that coffee.
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I'm curious here, are ANY of you native Swiss-born?

I'd like to hear what they have to say about their own country rather than some sour expats...
They wont talk to us..... For the first 2 weeks I went to my gym they searched my gym back before I left because I "looked Albanian".....

I was also asked to leave the Migro Cafeteria a couple of years back because I "dressed like a Serb". (i.e. had side burns)....

The other problem is that many of us speak German. They dislike Germans here. So when you speak German (rather than Swiss-German) they look down on you.

If you were a restaurant owner in TX and you asked some Arab fella to leave because he looked Muslim, you would be out of business and the ACLU would make sure your life was ruined.

Here, they do it all the time, but no one cares..... They figure youre just another German speaking American who wants to destroy the banking system.
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I see we have this one dude from Texas who is unhappy with the good old USA and we have a few British dudes who live in Switzerland and who are unhappy about the high rent and the high price of beer. Why don't you all move to Quebec? If you make over 100K, your last dollars will be taxed at about 53%, skiing will be more expensive than in Switzerland and your telephone/internet/TV combo will cost more and will give you much less than the cablecom power combo. On the bright side, Sears and Walmart have good deals. And you can get a pair of Asics Gel Nimbus running shoes for 136.66 CA$ (taxes included) instead of 280 swiss francs. Cheers!
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Except (and I'm sorry to keep bringing it up, but it is important and you do seem not to be paying it due attention) the small matter of applications and permits.

I still think you should come for a visit sometime. Let me know when you're over, I meant what I said about that coffee.
Applications and permits are really none of my concern. I have a very well paid attorney for which I have no issues trusting with taking care of most if it not all of it for me.
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Applications and permits are really none of my concern. I have a very well paid attorney for which I have no issues trusting with taking care of most if it not all of it for me.
HA HA!!!!! Unless you make atleast $20mn a year (I know this because my former employer had a tax deal in Zug) the local Geminde will wipe his ass with anything your lawyer gives him. Look, please do this. Come to Switzerland for a month and sit down with the Geminde. Find out what you need to do and get the paper work. Unless youre on a tax holiday these guys are going to put your paper work on the bottom of the pile when they see an intermediary do your paper work for you.

Truely, I beg you, come out here first. For a month or two..... The number one reason people end up leaving Switzerland is because their spouse goes bonkers. Are you going to stay here if your wife goes back to TX? In the last month alone I know 3 families who have moved back to Canada, NY, and Sydney.... All because the wife fuq'n hated it.

Your spouse has faith in you and is after some adventure..... Thats awesome.... But "adventure" in Switzerland is simply getting spat in the face a couple times a week. How is your spouse going to cope with no one opening the door for her, for people who dont say excuse me when they hit you, for your daughter dating swiss guys who take pride in losing their virginity to hookers?

If you guys are under the age of 23 I would say the transition might not be that hard. But if you guys are a bit older, there is a high probability that your spouse might crack. Please come out for a month or two. See for yourself.
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