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Moving to Zurich from Australia

Hello All,

My partner and I are wanting to move to Zurich in July next year. My Partner has a swiss passport, however we are not sure if marriage would make getting a visa easier for me.

My profession is a IT Solutions Architect with 12 years experience. I have little German vocab but plan to get better by July next year.

If anyone has any useful information to help me with the move it would be greatly appreciated.

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Hello All,

My partner and I are wanting to move to Zurich in July next year. My Partner has a swiss passport, however we are not sure if marriage would make getting a visa easier for me.

My profession is a IT Solutions Architect with 12 years experience. I have little German vocab but plan to get better by July next year.

If anyone has any useful information to help me with the move it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Chris

Marriage will make it easier. Do you already have a job offer with a visa? Otherwise you might have to leave after 3 months
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Welcome to the forum!

And where in Oz will you be coming from? If youre in Perth I can recommend a good German speaking group near Hillarys'.

You should contact some of the larger tech firms in the area: Oracle, SAP, etc and see if they are looking. At the very least you could make friends. Another good trick would to meet people at an IT firm in Oz that has an office in Zurich as well.

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Hello All,

My partner and I are wanting to move to Zurich in July next year. My Partner has a swiss passport, however we are not sure if marriage would make getting a visa easier for me.

My profession is a IT Solutions Architect with 12 years experience. I have little German vocab but plan to get better by July next year.

If anyone has any useful information to help me with the move it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Chris
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Re: Moving to Zurich from Australia

No I do not have any offer as yet. My partner and I just made the decision to move there. We visited last year and she has family in Zurich.

We are giving our selves 12 months to get everything in place.

I guess we are a little unclear on what the process is..

We are from Melbourne, I do agree with you regarding opening conversations with IT firms in Suisse.

Do you have to have a Job contract before you can get a working visa ?

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No I do not have any offer as yet. My partner and I just made the decision to move there. We visited last year and she has family in Zurich.

We are giving our selves 12 months to get everything in place.

I guess we are a little unclear on what the process is..

We are from Melbourne, I do agree with you regarding opening conversations with IT firms in Suisse.

Do you have to have a Job contract before you can get a working visa ?

Thanks in advance

Chris
With your experience I would suggest learning German asap and then coming here on a tourist visa. If youre skilled you will get picked up. There is high turn over at most of these tech firms so they are always in the market for new outside talent. If you can make enough contacts in the mean-time to get a job offer and visa then all the better. But if you cant get that then there is no shame in coming in on a tourist visa for the first year.
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Hello All,

My partner and I are wanting to move to Zurich in July next year. My Partner has a swiss passport, however we are not sure if marriage would make getting a visa easier for me.

My profession is a IT Solutions Architect with 12 years experience. I have little German vocab but plan to get better by July next year.

If anyone has any useful information to help me with the move it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Chris

Hey mate,

If you've got 12 months up your sleeve, I'd first suggest paying a visit to both the Australian and Swiss Consulates in your local area.

Here is the website for the Australian Consulate in Geneva..... an email here might get you started.
(.... nope, the only consulate in Switzerland for us is in Geneva, the other place they direct you too is in Berlin, Germany)

From my experience, it's perhaps easier for you to Marry your bird first. It's REALLY hard to stay here without a work permit, so you'd otherwise have to line up a job first....... there are a million threads on here about how hard it is to get a job once your here, so keep this in mind.


Get to work on your German now...... it's REALLY hard to learn once you're here
(The Swiss aren't big on helping you learn German, they'd prefer you speak one of their 10,000 dialects of Swiss-German instead - Ask your missus? ...... everything is written in High German so you need to know that language first, the "Swiss-German" will come with time)
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coming in on a tourist visa for the first year.
How would he do that, given that the 'normal' visa is for 90 days in 180, and anything beyond that usually requires evidence of substabtial assets?
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Welcome to the forum

Alot of aussies around here, sadly not enough australian girls...

maybe I should move there now that you all here ....
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How would he do that, given that the 'normal' visa is for 90 days in 180, and anything beyond that usually requires evidence of substabtial assets?
Thats how I came here..... He would leave the country for a day and then come back. Perhaps thats too outside the box for your thinking.
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Thats how I came here..... He would leave the country for a day and then come back. Perhaps thats too outside the box for your thinking.

You didn't come in before Switzerland joined the Schengen area, did you? But feel free to groan away since you have nothing to offer other than advice on how to come here illegally.
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sadly not enough australian girls...
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You didn't come in before Switzerland joined the Schengen area, did you? But feel free to groan away since you have nothing to offer other than advice on how to come here illegally.
The rest of you are telling this guy to rush into marriage. Coming here as a tourist for a few months and seeing if there are any work possibilities isnt illegal. Why do you think thats illegal?????

Can you give me any examples of people being arrested for this? Also can you please provide the part of the Swiss penal code that says its illegal to look for work while being a tourist? Get back to me on that Tom, many thanks.

Why are you so against this guy coming here for a few months and seeing what the job market is like?
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From my experience, it's perhaps easier for you to Marry your bird first.
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The rest of you are telling this guy to rush into marriage.
Fair point

I just re-read my post, and it is a little ambiguous (and poorly explained a little later)

I wouldn't actually recommend this man "Marry" his missus, as I don't know them. I was just saying from an immigration point of view it would be "Easier"

After all, My experience with Swiss women is dreadful...... If I was to offer advice on Marriage I'd say "DON'T DO IT" (but that's not the issue here).




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It's REALLY hard to stay here without a work permit, so you'd otherwise have to line up a job first....... there are a million threads on here about how hard it is to get a job once your here, so keep this in mind.
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Why are you so against this guy coming here for a few months and seeing what the job market is like?
Because of the ten Zillion threads on this exact subject.

"Hey, I want to move to Switzerland, should I just come over and find a job, or find one first?
thanks,
Newbie"


However, if he has no job, then the tourist visa is still not such a bad option.
I wouldn't want to be seperated from my chick either.
No shots no ducks mate, at least pop over to test the water and see if you like it.
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The rest of you are telling this guy to rush into marriage. Coming here as a tourist for a few months and seeing if there are any work possibilities isnt illegal. Why do you think thats illegal?????

Can you give me any examples of people being arrested for this? Also can you please provide the part of the Swiss penal code that says its illegal to look for work while being a tourist? Get back to me on that Tom, many thanks.

Why are you so against this guy coming here for a few months and seeing what the job market is like?
I'm not against him coming here and looking for work. What I am saying is that he can only come for 90 days in any 180 days on the visa waiver, and that he is unlikely to get a long-term visa without a job or without being married to a Swiss citizen (leave aside the fact that one of the documents to submit woth an application for a long-stay "D"-Visa is a statutory declaration that the applicant will not seek employment while in Switzerland). The old "leave for one day, come back" chestnut does not work since Switzerland joined Schengen.

He can of course ignore that. But he'll risk a nasty entry in the SIS (I suppose you don't know what that is - google it), plus possibly a fine.

Sources? How about you start at the Swiss embassy in Canberra. The leaflet linked on that site starts as follows:
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It is understood that travellers will not take up employment while in Switzerland. Anyone entering Switzerland and the entire Schengen area as a tourist will not be able to obtain a residence/work permit. Applications will only be considered when filed outside of Switzerland
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Can you give me any examples of people being arrested for this? Also can you please provide the part of the Swiss penal code that says its illegal to look for work while being a tourist? Get back to me on that Tom, many thanks.
Seriously, don't you read the papers? Plenty of stories like this one. Or straight from the police.

Overstaying is illegal, as is assisting an overstayer, as per the Bundesgesetz über die Ausländerinnen und Ausländer
http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/142_20/a115.html
http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/142_20/a116.html

and can result in a fine or up to one year in prison
http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/142_20/a67.html

and possibly in a ban on re-entry
http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/142_20/a117.html
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I'm not against him coming here and looking for work. What I am saying is that he can only come for 90 days in any 180 days on the visa waiver, and that he is unlikely to get a long-term visa without a job or without being married to a Swiss citizen (leave aside the fact that one of the documents to submit woth an application for a long-stay "D"-Visa is a statutory declaration that the applicant will not seek employment while in Switzerland). The old "leave for one day, come back" chestnut does not work since Switzerland joined Schengen.

He can of course ignore that. But he'll risk a nasty entry in the SIS (I suppose you don't know what that is - google it), plus possibly a fine.

Sources? How about you start at the .

Half of the Americans currently working for Oracle and SAP came here on tourist Visa's. I know that because my wife is a former executive at both firms... Where was the SIS for this? Go ahead and give them a call. [MOD EDIT] This guy is trying to accomplish something.

When we were setting up a family office for my then employer it took almost a year for everything to be put into place (PB accounts, domicile agreement in Zug, offshore structure etc etc...). During that year the Geminde in Zug wouldnt give me my B permit. So we complained that a couple of us were going to be here illegally then. Their response: "As long as you are not in the country for more than 90 days the issue is irrelevant." As we travel to Spain one week out of every month there was no issue.

I guess you should call the SIS on to Gemeinde in Zug as well!!!!!

And who is to say this guy wont find a job in 3 months?

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Gday fellow Melbournian!

Just some point that may assist amongst the noise.

1. Mariage definitely makes it easier, marriage as a non-eu gives you 12 months B permit as a spouse to a swiss person. I would not necessarily recommend getting married just tolive and work in switzerland though, you should marry for all the right reasons.

2. Your IT background is very much sought after in switzerland and you can probably get by without German, but it narrows your search band. Either way if you are giving yourself 12 months planning, it is always recommended to cram as much German as you can prior to coming. Learning outside of the country can be limited and it may not speed up until you immerse yourself.

3. You could apply for jobs from Australia, but without a swiss permit it can be a little harder, but many Australians do find themselves here based on company sponsorship, so this is also something you could start putting in place.

4. You could also do a visit to Switzerland as a holiday and see if you would like to live here. It is a great place to live but not for everyone.

Feel free to message me is you need any more personalised advice. I have been there done that.
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Re: Moving to Zurich from Australia

I have also moved from Melbourne to Zurich, initially to do a PhD and now work nearby.

From what I understand marriage would definitely help permit-wise. Otherwise you need to find an employer that is willing to get you a permit, which is a bit more hassle for us non-EUers. Alternately if you can apply for a passport from an EU country (e.g. you have an Italian Grandma etc...) that would also help a lot.

You might also consider looking for work in cantons neighbouring Zurich as I am told that in some cantons it's easier to get permits that others (not sure how true this really is).

Learning some German would definitely help. Being a native English speaker also seems to help for some jobs (not so sure about IT).

Would definitely recommend per previous comment that you come here for a visit first, spend a few days wandering around and see what you think.

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Half of the Americans currently working for Oracle and SAP came here on tourist Visa's. I know that because my wife is a former executive at both firms... Where was the SIS for this? Go ahead and give them a call. [MOD EDIT] This guy is trying to accomplish something.

When we were setting up a family office for my then employer it took almost a year for everything to be put into place (PB accounts, domicile agreement in Zug, offshore structure etc etc...). During that year the Geminde in Zug wouldnt give me my B permit. So we complained that a couple of us were going to be here illegally then. Their response: "As long as you are not in the country for more than 90 days the issue is irrelevant." As we travel to Spain one week out of every month there was no issue.

I guess you should call the SIS on to Gemeinde in Zug as well!!!!!

And who is to say this guy wont find a job in 3 months?
OK, I've calmed down. You asked for info, you got it, and then called me something that has since been edited. Again, I wish the OP all the luck he can have, and there's no harm in coming over for three months and have a look. The thing is though, he'll be much better of finding a job first, as you can no longer "nip over to Spain" to reset the clock on the 90 days. You have to leave the Schengen area, and that may have changed since you first came here.

So in a nutshell: coming for three months is very easy, staying on is not. Once the 90 days are up, you have to wait outside Schengen (e.g. the UK) until 180 days since your first entry have passed, then you have 90 days again.
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